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freddymo 04-05-2009 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept
Fred,

You could have watched it on MSG Network... They had the NYRA-produced broadcast.

I guess its obviously I don't have anyone who cares about my welfare at NYRA..lol Who would have thought MSG would have the rights.. On a serious note have they purchased the signal for other dates?

freddymo 04-05-2009 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Linny
freddymo, you have an issue with the network, not NYRA.
The NYRA guys were doing a 1 hour show for MSG-Plus and were on a tight schedule. They already shifted to accomodate HAW. I have no idea why HAW was late, I was at the rail at AQU when it was run.
Because my job often involves scheduling racing on TV, I can tell you that it's not easy co-ordinating between the track feeds of as many as 6 tracks. If one track is slow to load, has a late scratch or or just gets behind it messes up the whole thing.
Actually races start late more often than on time and to avoid any conflict the tracks should schedule such races at least 10 minutes apart. That can't always happen.
I have no issues with NYRA other then they hired Serling...I used to hate NYRA because they were corrupt and unaccountable but recently they have done a fine job.. I really didn't see MSG advertise the race it would have been cool to actually see it live..

As for TVG...I actually think they do a fairly good job and find many of the the folks they have on TV fairly entertaining

PeteMugg 04-05-2009 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by freddymo
I didn't get to watch the Wood for at least 15 minutes after it was official..TVG couldn't show it live why i have no clue and NBC didn't even make mention of the race at all...Why i have no clue..Infact other then youbet I was in the dark... I have 60" TV's why in the word do I want to watch it streaming in a 4" box... To me the issue is why didn't NBC cover the race.. Who needed to watch the bloated Zayat and that fraud of poly horse POTN run against Kaka?

Didn't NBC show the stretch of the Wood? I was channel jumping so I'm not sure where I caught it. Regardless, the coverage was quite slim.

jms62 04-05-2009 04:29 PM
To be completely honest here. I just now considered MSG coverage of the Wood. The decision to start before the Illinois finished may have been totally out of NYRA's hands.... Although it still sucks for the racing fan.. (And that opinion will never change) ;) I wasn't aware of I Want Revenges extremely troubled start until I actually saw the repeat. I feel I missed out on a performance for the ages. It's like watching a repeat of last years Super Bowl when you already knew the outcome.

philcski 04-08-2009 12:07 PM
So has anybody heard anything about Biker Boy? He was heading sideways in the stretch, looked like a physical issue but he still managed to finish 4th.

chucklestheclown 04-08-2009 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept
I don't get it. I watched the start of the IL Derby till they were on the backstretch, caught the start of the Wood and then watched the Illinois end and then back to the Wood. And then watched the replays. How does it diminish the experience? 15 seconds after each race is over you can watch the thing 10,000 times on computer or race replay or right on the feed from the track. What's the difference? I was interested in races from Gulfstream and elsewhere that were going at the same time... I watched them later. You have to see it live or somehow the result is going to be different? Hawthorne got off late. It happens. Had there been a National tie-in broadcast, they could have balanced the starts differently. Otherwise, EVERYONE STICKS TO THEIR SCHEDULE to make it most easy to accomodate widely at OTB's and on broadcasting entities.
But if you are at an OTB or at home trying to bet it sucks. If tracks, half of which have the same owners, staggered their 1st post times ,races would not run into each other. It's five minutes, 10 tops. They can't afford that?

chucklestheclown 04-08-2009 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Imperial Council is this years version of Saarland.
Bad taste. RIP Saarland.

chucklestheclown 04-08-2009 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
I dont get this argument at all, with free replays for all.

I think its funny that the Illinois Derby is held in such high standard that the Wood should delay their post, how about Hawthorne once they were late they might have delayed a few minutes since they were not on time to begin with?
True. If we're in the twentieth century.

Indian Charlie 04-09-2009 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown
Bad taste. RIP Saarland.
You said I tasted good the other day.

chucklestheclown 04-09-2009 01:46 AM
:tro:

King Glorious 04-09-2009 09:41 AM
Question about Imperial Council's paddock incident. Do any of you think that cost him the race? I kinda feel like it didn't. I think it was more his preparation (or lack thereof) more than the flipping. If this race was at 8f, he was right there, might have even won so it's hard for me to think he didn't run his race. But that last furlong found him wanting.

Travis Stone 04-09-2009 09:54 AM
Imperial Council is a better horse than what he showed in the Wood. Better of course being the relative term, because better is not Derby Trail capable at this point, but a horse freaking-out in the paddock is certainly a plausible excuse.

King Glorious 04-09-2009 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Imperial Council is a better horse than what he showed in the Wood. Better of course being the relative term, because better is not Derby Trail capable at this point, but a horse freaking-out in the paddock is certainly a plausible excuse.
I'm not saying it's not an excuse but maybe the 9f was a bigger excuse. To me, it looked like if the race was 8f, he may have won the race and nobody would be using any excuses. He would have looked as good as he had before, his figures would have been better than they had been before. Up to 8f, I thought he was actually as good as or better than he had shown before, paddock incident and all. Perhaps the wasted energy caught up to him in the last furlong and that's the reason he backed up. Certainly possible. But I think it may also be a convenient excuse to cause some people to overlook the fact that this might have been the point where he was going to start weakening anyway.

blackthroatedwind 04-09-2009 10:09 AM
He was dead empty at the top of the stretch and there is zero chance that he was winning the race if it was a mile......for a whole variety of reasons.

But, you know that.

Coach Pants 04-09-2009 10:09 AM
Imperial Council is a sh.ittier version of Denis of Cork...if that's even possible.

NTamm1215 04-09-2009 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Imperial Council is a sh.ittier version of Denis of Cork...if that's even possible.
At least Denis won a meaningful stakes race, even if it was handed to him.

Imperial Council might be a decent horse towards the end of the year but to say that his effort was disappointing on Saturday is a wild understatement.

NT

Travis Stone 04-09-2009 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I'm not saying it's not an excuse but maybe the 9f was a bigger excuse.
He wasn't winning a 7 furlong race on Saturday.

Bobby Fischer 04-09-2009 10:47 AM
freshen him up...

HaloWishingwell 04-09-2009 01:16 PM
IMPERIAL COUNCIL another headcase like CORONADO'S QUEST? Didn't that one needed to be handled with care in that paddock area and during warmups?

NTamm1215 04-09-2009 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell
IMPERIAL COUNCIL another headcase like CORONADO'S QUEST? Didn't that one needed to be handled with care in that paddock area and during warmups?
Their inability to be civil in the paddock is probably where the similarities end.

NT


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