i'm sure he knows that whatever happens to him he has responsibilities to the party and there will be close congressional, senate, state officer, and state legislative races where a motivated base is key.

it has to kill a part of him to do it though.

he'd have been a great president. i really think both parties nominated the best candidates available.

i feel bad he has to go through the kabuki of the next 3 weeks. he deserves better.

oh, well then she's going dooooowwwwwn!! lol

my only question at this point is how do we get term limits for our congresspeople??? president has limits, many states as well on their state reps, govs, etc. so, how to cut the govt off their own teat?

speaking of teat, pelosi wants another economic stimulus package, complete with another tax rebate. we better start working on population growth, so we have enough kids/grandkids to pay for all our bills...

see, i don't and there are others who feel the same. now, between clinton and obama, they were pretty much the same philosophically. but i hear many who now have 'buyers remorse' regarding mccain, and i think if there was a second chance, many would ignore romneys religion and put him on the ballot. but i could be wrong.
i think too many are worried about mccains age, and his choice of vp has put off the very moderates he needed.

there was a very brief discussion about appealing to the base, and getting the far righters to vote for JM. but, i remember back when JM was attempting to get the nomination, and rush limbaugh and others were howling in protest, i think rush at one point even said he wanted folks to vote for hillary, as he didn't want mccain. but now, they want him bad--as they would rather him than a dem, just like i said. mccain should have chosen someone more in line with his moderate views. the righters would vote for him anyway, but he'd have gotten the indys he needed. too late now tho.

I think it is deeper than that....

He has personal ethics that are lacking in many or most of the present day politicians.

As far as Obama - I would say the jury is still out. His words are inspiring - but it will be his actions that will make or break him. Up to now we have very little evidence of his actions.

I am willing to give him a chance - but I must say I have reservations.

maybe like Condi Rice

Dannie not to worry ..we are old enough to be able to get the gravy. The kids and grandkids will have to fend for themselves.:{>:

so should we call you geronimo or hiawatha?

don't quit your day job! :)

I was hoping for some good karma - as I was planning on going to the Indian Casino tomorrow ...now for you Biden supporters that is not the 7-11.

i think we agree on mccain's ethics and the lack of same in many.

that's what i think will make the last weeks of the campaign so painful for him.

i don't think he's running for himself anymore. i think he's running for something bigger than himself (a party he still believes is best for his country). and to benefit that party he has to run a campaign that denigrates an opponent in ways he knows are false.

he has to sacrifice his personal ethics for what he views as the greater good.

okay. that's it for me. screw this overly serious crap.

i'm going back to the easy punchline.

where's tim?

:wf :wf

Yeah, you had me there for a minute, but you're still gettin a lump of coal at Christmas!

isn't everybody?

No, Al Gore doesnt like coal and we will all be getting solar energy units for Kwanzaa.

okay, i cant tell a joke. thats two youve busted me on now.

...speakin of quality politicians....

it'll be ok. i think.
except lsu is getting their ass handed to them right now.

old dala is pretty happy about that one actually. One of the few i ever get right.

:rolleyes:

Your boys are really good kev. When yates comes back they are going to be awfully tough. I dont see anything in the ACC that can beat them.

yeah, i picked tx over okla, and figured arkansas was due today...but i sure didn't expect the blowout tonite. the fla blowout that is, i thought psu would be huge vs wisc.

Still chaps my ass they lost to Tech when he went down. Not sure where the Cavs found their sudden resurgence the past 2 weeks:zz:

yeah and look at poor Easy Credit. After they beat Va Tech, people were talking undefeated season. Now they get thumped by the hoos. Go figure.

That win today didn't stump me as much as the ass whipping they gave the turtles last week.

Do you remember scott mcbrien?

not right off hand, no.

all time leading passer in turtle history

Yeah...just googled him:D

At first glance you think this is not true to think these 2 guys are the best guys in a country of 250 million or so people. But then you think of the word available. I mean who in their right mind would subject themselves to this kind of abuse to take a job that seemingly is impossible to do? I'm not going to even try to understand outside of huge ego's and a giant dose of ambition but how many people have lived the needed "perfect life", going to the right church (even though I believe that very few of these politicians go anywhere near a church unless campaigning or with camera's around), being "around" the right people, having the right background, etc...

Not that I am nearly qualified to run but if I were to I'm sure that every post I have ever posted here or elsewhere would be fair game. I am friends or acquantinces who I am sure would not vet out. I was arrested once for DUI (beat the rap, the cop was so cocky he didnt realize he arrested the designated driver (me) and let the drunks drive my car home). One of my friends from high school was arrested for dealing drugs after we graduated. I havent been to church in years. Hell I have been photograped in public with OJ! All of those things would disqualify me from even being considered from being a candidate and I didnt mention one thing political in nature. One of the things that bothers me about the whole process is that the reality TV world that we live in causes people to vote in a certain manner and hence the parties have to run their campaigns the same manner. I dont blame either candidate for doing whatever they need to win including attack ads and tying the opposition to unsavory characters. Because it works in many cases. And that is all that matters in our socity now.

What also bugs me is that so many fall for the bs that these guys pledge. Obama isnt going to 'fix' the economic problems in this country. His 'plan' isnt going to work because there is no plan. He may outline what he wants to do but lets be realistic. The plans ALWAYS change once they get in office and start dealing with reality, not pie in the sky. Mccain's 'plan' isnt any better but he isnt going to win so who cares. Even the local races feature all these promises that you know arent going to be met. The funny thing about Obama is that for a Democratic Presidental candidate he has an huge money advantage over the Republicans. Where do you think most of that money comes from? Special interests of course. His 'change' mantra is just a slogan, not reality. There will be no change because even though the President is the leader, Congressional lifers and the money behind them and the President's war chest still call the shots. Maybe oil companies will suffer and the welfare crowd will thrive but Washington wont work right until term limits for Congress are imposed and people like George Soros and the republican version of him are put under control. The constant barrage of ads needs to be curbed also. We live in the age of information. There are plenty of sources available for candidates to get their message across without the constant questionable information thrown at people all day long.

I watched the debate the other night for about 15 minutes and couldnt help but think that if I knew nothing about either man, Obama came across the more votable guy. McCain is old, he looks old and he is not a great public speaker. He stutters and repeats the same words over and over again. I dont know if he would be a great president but McCain simply cant be the best Republican candidate out there.

Very well said.

As far as the best republican candidate, I think he was by far the most electable of the ones that actually wanted the job.

The next president is a one termer whether it is obama or mccain. Obama winning might be the best thing for the republicn party.

and the sox just tied it up on a wild pitch.

I may be giving them too much credit but coming up with McCain was a great strategy or stroke of luck. They knew it would be an uphill battle and with a Democratic Congress a nightmare even if he won. Let the Dems try to fix this mess and jump on ANYTHING that goes wrong with the Democratic majority in place. Hell if it was next year they could blame them for the Ray's bullpen.

Canon, I think a lot of just ordinary folks have given to Obama. I've never given any money to a candidate before, but I gave him all of $5. I think the ball on my chain gave him another $50, but I can't do anything about that. So, I guess I actually gave him $27.50 my part. Anyways, the email hasn't stopped since I gave him what little I did. They want more, and I ain't giving any more. For sure, a lot of his money is from small donations from people on the internet. Doesn't take long that way. If just 25 million people gave him $20, it would be have a billion dollars.

The amount of money they have doesnt take into consideration the 527's and the "voter registration" groups and others of those types who are funded by partisan sources.

Over 4150 didn't survive that Bush thing 8 years ago. I know most people don't care about them, but I am just pointing out elections aren't without consequences.

No one said "Kill him", so everyone can drop the phony outrage.

http://www.timesleader.com/news/brea...nfounded_.html

Hi Jim. How's it going?

Hopefully this is true, but it wasn't "phony" outrage, or as CP would say..."whining"..Go read through any aol message board that follows an article on the election. Guaranteed there will be a "shoot the nigga'" or " string him up" references in many. Yes, it's very random and unscientific sampling, but that stuff is pretty creepy, IMO.

I agree with you. All sided are at fault on this and it does nothing but continue to divide the nation. I also saw a bunch of stuff as you referenced above as well calling McCain "whitey" and "cracker" as well as calling his wife and Palin the "C" word.

Conflicting reports:



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081015/...secret_service

WASHINGTON - The Secret Service is looking into a second allegation that a participant at a Republican political rally shouted "kill him," referring to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

why is it 'phony' outrage? people ought to be outraged when they hear things like this. if no one said it, it's great. but when someone hears it was said, absolutely they should be outraged.

the problem imo is with those who aren't outraged.

also, your article is about a second supposed incident in scranton. just because this occurrence may be unfounded, doesn't mean it was also unfounded in florida-that was the incident the washington post had an article about.