Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ignorant is blaming neocons for every thing that has gone wrong in the modern world. Do we not seperate the black vote and hispanic vote? Or woman voters? Are you reading what you are writing? Perhaps YOU should understand the subject because the Isreal lobby lobbies the PEOPLE IN CHARGE who happen to be Republicans. When Obama is in charge, they will be lobbying to him.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I happened to post how I felt about this BEFORE Dala posted the harvard article. Just so happens the harvard article feels pretty similarly to how I feel. Who the fucl< do I think for if not for myself?? :zz: :zz:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because you quoted the Harvard story. Do you really think that we should withdraw support for Isreal based on the Arabs and Islam will hate us less arguement?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Harvard article. think for yourself for a change. The despots that rule middle eastern countries use religion to keep the power that they gain. They use US as the reason that the people in those countries are poor. They use US as the bad guys so that the people dont turn their anger against the leaders in their own countries. Bin Laden had no problem partnering with us when it fit his needs. We supported Isreal then too. Be real. Of course the arabs will use our support for Isreal against us to but the fact that places like Saudi arabia which practices the most extreme form of Islam is a US ally because of our protection of them and our buying their oil shows the whole "arabs hate us because of Isreal" falls way down the totem pole.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You are hopelessly flailing at a subject you don't understand nor care to. Why?

Do you have any idea of who is in the Isreal lobby? Look it up. Educate yourself.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

That is a different question though. It is quite possible than the Arabs do hate us because of our support of Israel but at the same time withdrawing our support would be a bad idea.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because you quoted the Harvard story. Do you really think that we should withdraw support for Isreal based on the Arabs and Islam will hate us less arguement?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Your grasp of the middle east is amusing if not frightening. Right wing propaganda By Reagan and two bushes has created this line of thinking that is completely oblivious to rational thought.

You do realize that the US needs the Saudis at this point in time more than the Saudis need the US.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you think that our policy towrds Isreal will change under democratic leadership?

You accused me of something a few posts ago that was so ridiclous that you refuse to respond to my post yet I need to educate myself? The US policy towrds Isreal has not varied much depending on who the leadership was in this country since 1945.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

[
You accused me of something a few posts ago that was so ridiclous that you refuse to respond to my post yet I need to educate myself? The US policy towrds Isreal has not varied much depending on who the leadership was in this country since 1945.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

No I dont. And I also never said that. The only thing I said was that was the CORE reason they hate us. We need an ally like Isreal in the middle east. They have a ton of intellegence and a superb military.

I do not feel we need to be giving them at least 3 bill a year and at least 20% of our foreign aid :$: though.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

"Its really crazy about how much we give Isreal and do for them and protect them.

They are a more than competant country.

Our support for Isreal is basically the core reason the Middle East hates us so much."

This is the post I replied to originally. If you assume that it is crazy to do so much for them and that our suppost for Isreal is basically th core reson why we are hated, is it a stretch to say she would withdraw support for them?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

[/b]

Umm, chuck, Isreal wasnt a state until 1948. And if you dont think aid militarily and economically has grown exponentially since the sixties, you are proving even more clueless on the topic than i originally thought.

Originally Posted by Mike

I can't believe this thread is averaging a post every 15 seconds for the past hour. Don't people want to talk about McCain and Nazi death squads?

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Yes it is a COMPLETE stretch Chuck and you are so very wrong about my posts you cant seem to grasp it. I think its crazy how much :$: we give them, and they ARE a more than competant country. But to assume I feel we need to withdraw support for them and not have them as an ally is rediculous Chuck. But we dont need to give them so much :$: . We have tons of allies we dont treat like Isreal.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You have to post gems like this one in order to get activity. You have to give people history lessons about israel and the middle east.


Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
[
You accused me of something a few posts ago that was so ridiclous that you refuse to respond to my post yet I need to educate myself? The US policy towrds Isreal has not varied much depending on who the leadership was in this country since 1945.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont know why you feel the need to call names? 1945,48, what is the difference. You called me out for suggesting their was a jewish vote. Which their obviously is. Then you call me out and call me names yet never answer any of the questions. You ignore the fact that our Isreali policy is basically the same regardless of party in charge. the only thing you brought to this discussion was the introduction of the Isreal Lobby and it's conservative eadership but failed to do anything else but call names. Or of course some 1000 page crap that we are supposed to take as fact.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You have to post gems like this one in order to get activity. You have to give people history lessons about israel and the middle east.


Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
[
You accused me of something a few posts ago that was so ridiclous that you refuse to respond to my post yet I need to educate myself? The US policy towrds Isreal has not varied much depending on who the leadership was in this country since 1945.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Again, not substance, but arrogance.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Dala.. I know you have a big arguement with Cannon about this, but seriously, using the 1945 thing when it was 1948 is not going to help you out and makes you look kind of silly.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do we have any other allies in the Middle east? Should we send England some more money because we are concerned about the North sea oilfields? How exactly can you or i determine exactly what is too much or not enough aid between countries?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

And what have you brought Chuck besides your uneducated views on a topic you have nary a clue. You attempt to regurgitate your party line banter no doubt garnered from Foxnews and Sean Hannity. YOU THINK ISRAEL WAS BORN IN 1945 and our policy hasnt changed since. What choice do i have but to call that statement ignorant?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I posted an essay by two trusted scholars...one from HARVARD. What have you provided?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Actually it doesnt. Many people are misinformed about the creation of Israel. Many think that it was created in 1945 as a result of the holocaust immediately after the war. It was agreed upon in 1947 and founded in 1948. Dates are important ESPECIALLY those dates. Not knowing the year shows a complete lack of understanding of the subject.

It is akin to saying that Secretariat won the triple crown in 1976.