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dalakhani 09-28-2008 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Holy sht.
An honest person.

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs-pgardn

Which one is it Pgardn? Are you flipping back to it had "nothing" to do with religiuos beliefs or are we still at very, very little?

Or are you going to deny you posted this?

Danzig 09-28-2008 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
I would also.

Not true in Germany in the late 30's and 40's.They were very active in Germany in trade and as merchant's but when
WWI ended and the depression came on, they became targets largely because of economic misperceptions. Easy targets.

i'm talking about further back then the last century...altho in rome, they were still kept in a 'ghetto' where the germans marched most of the inhabitants out of rome right under the pope's nose, nary a word of protest from that fellow.

Mortimer 09-28-2008 05:17 PM

The Egyptians drove out the Jewish people only because they could not field a good softball team.

Mortimer 09-28-2008 05:17 PM

Perhaps that is what Hitler saw.

geeker2 09-28-2008 05:22 PM

The Jewish girls I knew really put out :tro:

pgardn 09-28-2008 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs-pgardn

Which one is it Pgardn? Are you flipping back to it had "nothing" to do with religiuos beliefs or are we still at very, very little?

Or are you going to deny you posted this?

There are isolated cases of terror that some Christian Germans felt the Jews betrayed Jesus. This aint new. And never will be in some Christians minds.

But this is not the systematic thrust of Hitler's crystal nacht, and then the subsequent move to ghettos followed by Concentration camps, which led to the final solution.

Man you are stubborn as hell.
And very disingenuious. Very.
You know I know exactly what you are attempting.

You lost and all that crap... like this is some damn game.
It was an attempt at some insight and you trashed it.

pgardn 09-28-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i'm talking about further back then the last century...altho in rome, they were still kept in a 'ghetto' where the germans marched most of the inhabitants out of rome right under the pope's nose, nary a word of protest from that fellow.

Causing John Paul to issue a formal apology.
Something that might not come from the current Pope.

Galileo is off the hook also.
Im sure he is happy about that.

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
their 'knack' as you call it for business....i would call that a bit of a stereotype. for years and years-centuries really, back to the middle ages, they had no venue opened to them for business, with many turning to money- lending as most other trades were illegal for jews. so, along with getting harrassed for their religion, they were attacked for usury, and by those who owed them money-or by those who knew they had money, else how could they lend it?
but what it all boils down to, all these centuries, is their religious beliefs. it's because of their faith that they were confined to ghettoes, banned from most trades, attacked, beaten, killed, charged with witchcraft, killing and eating good little christian children, etc, etc.

I resisted expanding on that stereotype,but nevertheless you explained it. 2 things,though....what is it about their religion is so offensive(like I said..they don't infringe on others beliefs) and secondly...what makes you think they were burned as witches and that stuff?

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
The Jewish girls I knew really put out :tro:

When you only have 2 weeks out of the month to have fun...I guess so!

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Causing John Paul to issue a formal apology.
Something that might not come from the current Pope.

Galileo is off the hook also.
Im sure he is happy about that.

I was raised in Catholic schools and they truly blamed the Jews for "killing Christ" Don't know what the new Pope thinks about it.

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I think through all of this we forgot how we got here. Dimmy made and continues to make dumb comments. I have yet to see one person disagree with this. Anyone?

Sit down,fool,your time is over!

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Still waiting....

yeah...waiting for the short bus, or is it a little horse?

dalakhani 09-28-2008 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
There are isolated cases of terror that some Christian Germans felt the Jews betrayed Jesus. This aint new. And never will be in some Christians minds.
But this is not the systematic thrust of Hitler's crystal nacht, and then the subsequent move to ghettos followed by Concentration camps, which led to the final solution.

Man you are stubborn as hell.
And very disingenuious. Very.
You know I know exactly what you are attempting.

You lost and all that crap... like this is some damn game.
It was an attempt at some insight and you trashed it.

So why don't you just say that the original contention was wrong? you keep flip flopping. See...I know what YOU are trying to do.

you want to talk about disingenuous you phony flopper? Thats laughable. You came on this thread to be the big bad defender of dimmigirvan and now you are playing the whole intellectual card. Spare me.

Do you want me to pull up all of the posts that you directed at me and dahoss? There was one post where you told dahoss that he was aiming to beat up on dimmigirvan except that he messed up because you, the big bad intellectual, stepped in and put us in our place.

Now, after all of that, you want to act like you were trying to enlighten us with insight from some book you read? Get over yourself. Please, get over yourself.

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
i guess someone is honest if they agree with your flip flopped discussion changing point of view? LOL

You really should petition for a REFUND on your education!

dalakhani 09-28-2008 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
yeah...waiting for the short bus, or is it a little horse?

You drive that bus my slow friend...head gear and all.

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
So why don't you just say that the original contention was wrong? you keep flip flopping. See...I know what YOU are trying to do.

you want to talk about disingenuous you phony flopper? Thats laughable. You came on this thread to be the big bad defender of dimmigirvan and now you are playing the whole intellectual card. Spare me.

Do you want me to pull up all of the most that you directed at me and dahoss? There was one post where you told dahoss that he was aiming to beat up on dimmigirvan except that he messed up because you, the big bad intellectual, stepped in and put us in our place.

Now, after all of that, you want to act like you were trying to enlighten us with insight from some book you read? Get over yourself. Please, get over yourself.

Look into the mirror,ditz....:zz:

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
You drive that bus my slow friend...head gear and all.

Get offa Hossy...he wants to post!

dalakhani 09-28-2008 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Get offa Hossy...he wants to post!

LOL. History lessons from a toothless redneck. I am going to keep this conv. going for a while.

Mortimer 09-28-2008 06:04 PM

The WW II period Jewish population in Germany had patches on their sleeves saying..."Successful Business People."

pgardn 09-28-2008 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
So why don't you just say that the original contention was wrong? you keep flip flopping. See...I know what YOU are trying to do.

you want to talk about disingenuous you phony flopper? Thats laughable. You came on this thread to be the big bad defender of dimmigirvan and now you are playing the whole intellectual card. Spare me.

Do you want me to pull up all of the most that you directed at me and dahoss? There was one post where you told dahoss that he was aiming to beat up on dimmigirvan except that he messed up because you, the big bad intellectual, stepped in and put us in our place.

Now, after all of that, you want to act like you were trying to enlighten us with insight from some book you read? Get over yourself. Please, get over yourself.

Inferiority complex run amok...
Time to read your political stuff really closely.

Defender?
I dont get close to agreeing with him.
I just dont get a woody beating on people.

Read the entirety of what I wrote.
I spent 5 years in a Jewish home you wad.

Get over myself? The only intellect I have over the
majority of this board is that I have lived longer.
Twisted fck.
Go beat up on a goldfish.
He wont have a chance... and you can win.

Danzig 09-28-2008 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Causing John Paul to issue a formal apology.
Something that might not come from the current Pope.

Galileo is off the hook also.
Im sure he is happy about that.

i read that the new pope said pius didn't sit and do nothing, which i would strongly disagree with.

i also saw the other day that CoE apologized to Darwin--that good man however has yet to make a reply.:rolleyes:

Mortimer 09-28-2008 06:10 PM

I'm going to spend the next 5 years in a coo-coo house.



I will learn their habits and mating calls and come back to argue about them.

Coach Pants 09-28-2008 06:12 PM

I have a big nose. Don't question me.

Danzig 09-28-2008 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
I resisted expanding on that stereotype,but nevertheless you explained it. 2 things,though....what is it about their religion is so offensive(like I said..they don't infringe on others beliefs) and secondly...what makes you think they were burned as witches and that stuff?

i'm a history nut, have an extensive collection of history books, mostly on european countries covering different eras, as well as the crusades and such. there were a variety of accusations against jews over the centuries, some pretty awful stuff. witchcraft was just one of the many excuses people used to expel the jews from their country (france in particular favored that action) as well as repeatedly charging them with usury and confiscating their wealth. and of course any crimes committed against jews pretty much went without investigation or punishment of the offender.
various kings had no qualms about borrowing money from their jewish citizens...paying it back on the other hand-well, that was a different story.

as for what is so offensive-you'd have to ask those who are offended by the jews-generally it seems it's based on disagreements over religion. shocking! :rolleyes:

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Look, I know it's a tough thing to accept. But, you would think with something like 1100 active members here that someone would step up and say they don't think you make dumb statements. No one has. Sit down and think about that for a second.

Maybe they've grown weary of the charade you guys try to pull........not ADHD...mabye Manic,huh?

Mortimer 09-28-2008 06:13 PM

Do you smell funny?

Mortimer 09-28-2008 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i'm a history nut, have an extensive collection of history books, mostly on european countries covering different eras, as well as the crusades and such. there were a variety of accusations against jews over the centuries, some pretty awful stuff. witchcraft was just one of the many excuses people used to expel the jews from their country (france in particular favored that action) as well as repeatedly charging them with usury and confiscating their wealth. and of course any crimes committed against jews pretty much went without investigation or punishment of the offender.
various kings had no qualms about borrowing money from their jewish citizens...paying it back on the other hand-well, that was a different story.

as for what is so offensive-you'd have to ask those who are offended by the jews-generally it seems it's based on disagreements over religion. shocking! :rolleyes:

What do you know about the history of fellatio-poo?

Danzig 09-28-2008 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
What do you know about the history of fellatio-poo?

sorry, not in the books i've collected. i'll have to read up on that and get back to ya.

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
i'm a history nut, have an extensive collection of history books, mostly on european countries covering different eras, as well as the crusades and such. there were a variety of accusations against jews over the centuries, some pretty awful stuff. witchcraft was just one of the many excuses people used to expel the jews from their country (france in particular favored that action) as well as repeatedly charging them with usury and confiscating their wealth. and of course any crimes committed against jews pretty much went without investigation or punishment of the offender.
various kings had no qualms about borrowing money from their jewish citizens...paying it back on the other hand-well, that was a different story.

as for what is so offensive-you'd have to ask those who are offended by the jews-generally it seems it's based on disagreements over religion. shocking! :rolleyes:

You're in the ballpark...I'll give you that. Possibly "way of life" instead of their religion,huh? I've never heard anyone say that the Torah sucks or stuff of that ilk.....maybe it's a 'race' thing.

Mortimer 09-28-2008 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
sorry, not in the books i've collected. i'll have to read up on that and get back to ya.


Good deal.



Looking forward to it.

Coach Pants 09-28-2008 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
Do you smell funny?


dalakhani 09-28-2008 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Inferiority complex run amok...
Time to read your political stuff really closely.

Defender?
I dont get close to agreeing with him.
I just dont get a woody beating on people.

Read the entirety of what I wrote.
I spent 5 years in a Jewish home you wad.

Get over myself? The only intellect I have over the
majority of this board is that I have lived longer.
Twisted fck.
Go beat up on a goldfish.
He wont have a chance... and you can win.

LOL

Why is it that when someone points out that you are wrong you use this same tired line. I saw you use the same thing with Rolotamassi earlier. Is that your Dr. Phil drugstore internet psychoanalysis run amok? Amazing what an elementary school teacher can garner from a single post.

Do you think that living with a jewish family for five years makes you an authority on the holocaust? I had a close friend growing up that is chinese- does that make me an authority on the Rape of Nangking?

All of this because i caught you in your own words...sad. But still funny.

Mortimer 09-28-2008 06:24 PM

!!


You DO smell funny!

dalakhani 09-28-2008 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
You're in the ballpark...I'll give you that. Possibly "way of life" instead of their religion,huh? I've never heard anyone say that the Torah sucks or stuff of that ilk.....maybe it's a 'race' thing.

Suddenly Timmigirvan is giving history lessons. LOL

Next we will see the locusts coming over the hills because indeed the the apocolypse is near.

Maybe pgardn will want to argue whether or not the apocolypse will include locusts or if it was merely metaphoric reference in the bible.

Mortimer 09-28-2008 06:25 PM

Please...no one bring up the name BoBo Tamale.



He thinks he knows about horseys....but he doesn't.

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
LOL

Why is it that when someone points out that you are wrong you use this same tired line. I saw you use the same thing with Rolotamassi earlier. Is that your Dr. Phil drugstore internet psychoanalysis run amok? Amazing what an elementary school teacher can garner from a single post.

Do you think that living with a jewish family for five years makes you an authority on the holocaust? I had a close friend growing up that is chinese- does that make me an authority on the Rape of Nangking?

All of this because i caught you in your own words...sad. But still funny.

You truly are the Wizard of Oz! WTF are you smoking....Morty's right..sticking around here will drive you nuts(no offense,Bykster)

Danzig 09-28-2008 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
You're in the ballpark...I'll give you that. Possibly "way of life" instead of their religion,huh? I've never heard anyone say that the Torah sucks or stuff of that ilk.....maybe it's a 'race' thing.

no, it all still comes down to religion. the jewish didn't believe the same thing as their christian ruler/brethren. so they were 'different'-which to many means evil, and therefore must be destroyed. it isn't due to culture or values, or business acumen. the basic difference is their religion. they don't believe jesus is the actual son of god, and we can't be having that now, can we?


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