i wonder why. i really do. but then zito did say today that he also would like to see them do away with the whip. that wasn't long after johnnie v won without his-not that it mattered with zaftig anyway, she was much the best in that race.

but i bet cauthen was glad to have one in the belmont a few years back!!

Smart Mom

was his name norman?

Andy made him say that

It's really pretty amazing the way they downplayed that quarter crack. My main trainer told me all week that he didn't think BB would hit the board. He told me that if you had a $50,000 claimer with a quarter crack like that, you would have two choices. Your first choice would be to give the horse 6 months off. If you didn't want to give the horse the time off, then the other option would be to drop the horse in for $25,000.

I wish I would have listened to him and bet against BB. I figured that since the horse worked alright the other day and since the quarter crack didn't bleed that it probably would not bother the horse. I should have listened to my trainer. He knows 1000x more than I do about injuries.

Jerry Bailey said the same thing about whips. I wish they would get rid of the whips too. They don't allow whips in the 2 furlong two-year old races out here.

Mom must not have been too smart - his girl friend from CA was moving in and she (GF) didn't have a job.

But I do give him credit - he did ask if his lawyer bro could review docs before he sent me a check..

And Zig - his name was Mike.....


I'm ready for a vacation .... 8-)

Lets be genuine. The medication is used for what you
said. That is part of what it is supposed to be used for.
But it is also used for other reasons because...
I thought it was also supposed to be used for Low blood
counts, for horses that had already shown some debilitation.
But some steroids are used on perfectly healthy horses.


As far as Dutrow people dont like him because humility is
something that many people admire. Dutrow has obviously
worked his butt off and been through hard times. But of
course the press is gonna pound on a guy as cocky as
he is. What the heck does one expect?

....

Rule No 1: ALWAYS listen to your trainer!!!

As painful as it might be sometimes to admit he/she knows what they are talking about, always refer to rule #1.... 8-)

Getting rid of whips is something I simply cant understand. Use softer whips? Ok. Enforce the whip abuse rules? Sure. Get rid of them? That is too drastic of a change to the sport, it just is. It will not improve business and may well hurt it. Then what?

Be truthful...You wouldn't have come up with the winner anyway....

For $100?

The only way the winner was picked was by the 'quick pick' button or the all button....

Something most likely went physically wrong with BB. That really wouldn't be a surprise to like 99% of anybody who watches this sport. Rick is in the 1% who evidently thinks he is somehow immune to this. You would pretty much have to think that way to trashtalk like he does. He is a bit out of touch with reality. Reality is that horses can get beat. Some evidently think it's cute ,or colorful to ignore reality. No, it isn't. It's the same grandiose way that criminals think when they keep taking chances. They simply don't even consider getting caught. They can't. It isn't in them. They lack that. Acceptance of the idea that you might fail is very important. It means you plan for the good and the bad. It means you don't take unrealistic risks that threaten your future. If this guy doesn't get help, he will end up in a bad way. If you don't respect failure as being a very real possibility, then that little "cute" personality thing is gunna catch up with you.

That is true. I was just thinking more in terms of how much money you could make if you knew for sure that the 1-5 favorite would not hit the board.

Let's be clear - I don't advocate the misuse of steroids - but as you point out, I do believe they serve a purpose when used properly.

Pertaining to Rick - I understand the opinion some have from watching 30 second snippets on TV. I can't claim to know this guy just because he caught my fastballs in high school 30 years ago. But I can tell you this - as teenagers, when he and his brothers liked something, they were all in. If it was a baseball team, a basketball team, or a 250 lb friend that entered disco dancing contests in 1975, Rick was all in. Whatever it was, he was all in.

That's the Rick I saw the last 5 weeks - all in.......

So if you go to a beach, do you have a panic attack if a dude that is barefoot walks by?

2ndly, in regards to the racing gods, I do believe in them now, and will now refrain from all future enthusiam, ONLY PESSISM from here on out.....

throw out BB and the maiden and box the rest?

[quote=Cannon Shell]For $100?[/QUOTE

Yep - I'll send you the emal..... you'll love it. 8-)

Given the name of the stable is Rebate Stable, you'd think I'd be asking for at least $600 per unit - but he'd already spent part of his check and was looking for someplace to put the rest..... 8-)

men should not expose feet unless the are Romans

If he is all in, then he knows how to take the good
and the bad the media can present through snippets.
He was presented in quite a favorable light with his daughter.

But I think we all understand that when he associates with
a guy who has misrepresented himself numerous times...Mr. Stock Trader...
that Dutrow himself will be highly scrutinized.

Or heck maybe he just does not care.

You don't have a pair of sandals?

That would be a good option. They could use softer whips. But I really don't think that eliminating whips would be so drastic that it would hurt business. I don't hear anyone complaining that they don't use whips in the 2 furlong two year old races out here. I bet there are plenty of people that haven't even noticed.

Truer words have never been spoken

no

Amen!

Where did you get your information? Is Hoffmans on the up and up? Touch Gold tore apart his hoof when he stumbled out of the gate at The Preakness, the same blacksmith that worked on him prior to the Belmont is the same one that worked on Big Brown for this Belmont. He has been quoted in numerous publications that what Touch Gold had was far worser than what Big Brown had. Anyway someone is not being completely truthful.

My cousin had six toes on each foot.
But they cut the last one off on each foot.

I may have just given too much information
about my possible genetic maladies.

Oh, he had six fingers also. Polydactyl bugger he was.

Shoot. I don't even know what the best way to play it would have been if I was confident that BB would run out. I rarely play exotics. I normally just bet to win and place. I guess if you were really confident that the horse would not hit the board, it would be smart to play some serious trifectas where you used a ton of horses. But even in that case, I still may not have used the winner.

I knew a guy in high school with an extra thumb on one hand. It was an endless source of bad jokes that involved tag team thumb wrestling and hitching a ride and having 2 cars pull over.

1,2,3,4 I declare a thumb(s) war.

You cant use 2 furlongs races as a comparison for anything. You dont make major changes to the sport without a really good reason and i have yet to hear a really good reason. When the bettors start calling for the elimination of whips i will listen. Until then i think it is people being too sensitive to outside critics

Hofmans was the trainer of Touch Gold. He would have no reason to lie to my trainer in a private conversation. Hofmans said that the horse grabbed a quarter in the Preakness.

Chuck could do a 100x better job than me explaining the difference between grabbing a quarter vs. a quarter crack.

Cannon, Could you please explain the difference between the two.

I'm about to watch kelly pavlick pound some Euro, maybe later


I believe hofmans btw

Hey just to clarify I'm not questioning what you heard, I'm just saying there is a inconsistency in the degree of how bad Touch Gold's hoof was, infact it plagued him the rest of his career if I am not mistaken.

thank you for reminding me about this fight...

Prospective Kiss won the Brooks Fields stake,Derek Bell up.HE HE!

I could totally be one of those guys that stands behind a champion fighter.....

I agree with this. And yet, the snippets of "I'm confident" was a little over the top and agitating....

IEAH is his meal ticket right now so I can't fault him for his association. In a perfect world, it'd be nice to see him take stand once arriving at an informed opinion, if it was warranted, and tell IEAH to take a hike. But, frankly, I'm not sure Rick would understand what Iavarone does, or has done, other than seeing acheck for mucho dinero coming in every month. And if IEAH pays each month on time, that makes them an even more valuable consumer....

I don't believe anyone.

:wf