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my miss storm cat 07-06-2009 07:42 PM

Thanks for your insight...

I didn't realize that about the state vets.

chucklestheclown 07-07-2009 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

There were two big name horses this year entered in big races that were scratched and both of these horses would have been allowed to run in the past. I can promise you that both The Pamplemousse and I Want Revenge would have been allowed to run before the Eight Belles incident. But as a direct result of the Eight Belles, the tracks are being much stricter. Although the press reported otherwise, both The Pamplemousse and I Want Revenge were vet scratches. Had the state vet not forced those horses to scratch, they would have both run, even though both horses were injured and had no business running.

What kind of media would not report this? If they are saying it is a trainer scratch and not a vet scratch (which is a vital statistic in handicapping) doesn't it have to be true? Are you saying the vets say "Scratch him or I will?". How is that different from saying "Bench him or he will foul out"?

Rupert Pupkin 07-08-2009 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown
What kind of media would not report this? If they are saying it is a trainer scratch and not a vet scratch (which is a vital statistic in handicapping) doesn't it have to be true? Are you saying the vets say "Scratch him or I will?". How is that different from saying "Bench him or he will foul out"?

Yes, that is correct. They were basically told, "Scratch him or I will." In most situations, it wouldn't be done this way. In most situations, the horses would simply be vet scratches. But these two horses were high profile horses in high profile races. It looked better for everyone involved if these horses were voluntary scratched.

In the real world, I think a good anology would be when an employee is asked to resign, instead of getting fired. When a person resigns, it allows them to save face and it's just a better situation for everyone involved. There's much less controversy when someone resigns.

By the way, the state vets were obviously 100% correct in not allowing either of those horses to run. Both of those horses had pretty serious injuries and will be lucky if they ever make it back to the races again.

cabvmd 07-08-2009 10:16 AM

state vets
 
I have been an examining veterinarian for the state for 21 years. It is not an easy job. I have made "unpopular" decisions and taken horses out of big races and been yelled at, and worse.

Some of the horses have come back and worked and were found to be OK, but most were not. I would rather be wrong a thousand times and scratch a horse that turns out to be OK than just one time where I let the horse run even if I thought there was a problem.:{>:

rpncaine 07-08-2009 10:26 AM

That is wonderful to hear..I can only hope that this is the way all examining vets feel about their responsibilites.

dagolfer33 07-11-2009 03:42 PM

Eye Wonder.....5th @ LS....broke down in stretch.:(

Pedigree Ann 07-11-2009 04:15 PM

Remember up at Saratoga a few years ago when Bailey essentially scratched Noble Causeway from the Jim Dandy because "he didn't feel right"? The trainer (was it Pletcher or Zito? somebody high profile) was furious and wheeled him back a week later in an allowance with a new rider. Horse bore out in the first turn and came back lame. He survived to stand at stud, but the whole incident made me feel more kindly towards Bailey than I usually did.

Sightseek 07-11-2009 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Remember up at Saratoga a few years ago when Bailey essentially scratched Noble Causeway from the Jim Dandy because "he didn't feel right"? The trainer (was it Pletcher or Zito? somebody high profile) was furious and wheeled him back a week later in an allowance with a new rider. Horse bore out in the first turn and came back lame. He survived to stand at stud, but the whole incident made me feel more kindly towards Bailey than I usually did.

Zito

Rupert Pupkin 07-11-2009 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Remember up at Saratoga a few years ago when Bailey essentially scratched Noble Causeway from the Jim Dandy because "he didn't feel right"? The trainer (was it Pletcher or Zito? somebody high profile) was furious and wheeled him back a week later in an allowance with a new rider. Horse bore out in the first turn and came back lame. He survived to stand at stud, but the whole incident made me feel more kindly towards Bailey than I usually did.

Yes, Zito was a little annoyed at Bailey but the guy who was really furious at Bailey was the owner. I think he actually wanted to take Bailey to the stewards. Then as you said the horse came back a couple weeks later with Ramon Dominguez and he pulled up.

I remember about 20 years ago Burt Bacharach had a stakes filly that was put on the vet's list. Bacharach was furious. He berated the track vet publicly and said there was nothing wrong with the horse and that the horse would prove she was sound in her next workout. She did have a fast workout but was never seen again after that.

In these types of cases, it is rare that the owner will apologize to the vet when it turns out that the vet was right.

When a competent track vet or a jockey thinks that a horse is off, they are right 99% of the time.

my miss storm cat 07-11-2009 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33
Eye Wonder.....5th @ LS....broke down in stretch.:(

Can't find anything... sorry.

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9 year old Siphon's Glory, at Mountaineer yesterday...

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...071009USA3.pdf

Greedy Way and Lanie's Way, HP yesterday (R2 and 3)...

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...L071009USA.pdf

Equine Beauty, R5 @ Ellis today...

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...071109USA5.pdf

ForestofWonders 07-13-2009 01:13 AM

Greedy Way is still touch and go - serious suspensory injury.

Lanie's Way was put down. Hind suspensory apparatus.

my miss storm cat 09-09-2009 11:30 AM

Dawn Before Dawn...

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...090709USA3.pdf

my miss storm cat 10-11-2009 11:20 PM

Baron Von Tap, at Calder on Saturday.

I like this guy. Hope he's okay.

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...01009USA10.pdf

my miss storm cat 10-31-2009 12:50 PM

Cash's Count and Evansleadingthewy, Race 6 at Mountaineer on Tuesday...

http://drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesIndex...=20091027&RN=6

my miss storm cat 11-20-2009 02:22 PM

Out Of Gwedda, at Delta Downs...

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...111909USA2.pdf

my miss storm cat 12-13-2009 11:13 AM

Sam P, in the Prairie Bayou yesterday...

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...21209USA10.pdf

Duvalier 12-13-2009 11:28 AM

Luhuk's Dancer, at Philadelphia Park

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...121109USA3.pdf

Kasept 12-13-2009 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Sam P, in the Prairie Bayou yesterday...

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...21209USA10.pdf

Just off the phone with Buff Bradley. Sam P. is fine.

Borel was being cautious after Sam took a couple funky steps after the wire. Came home to Churchill later and was 100%. Same this morning. State vet at Turfway yesterday, Buff and state vet (this morning) all have been over him. He jogged today for the vet and was totally OK. He will be monitored closely in case anything develops but cooled out normal last night and is moving like there is nothing wrong.

my miss storm cat 12-13-2009 12:43 PM

That's really good news, Steve... thanks for checking on him. :)

Duvalier... I've looked around a little for Luhuk's Dancer but can't find anything so, hopefully, no news is good news. I'll post if i hear or see anything.

GPK 12-13-2009 12:45 PM

MMSC, still nothing on my girl Sierra Sweetie?

my miss storm cat 12-13-2009 12:50 PM

Nothing Kev... I have checked now and again. Nada. Sorry.

Since I'm a moron when it comes to finding breeding info, that kinda stuff, perhaps someone could see if she became a mom (?).

Here's hoping.

Duvalier 12-13-2009 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Duvalier... I've looked around a little for Luhuk's Dancer but can't find anything so, hopefully, no news is good news. I'll post if i hear or see anything.

Thanks

GPK 12-13-2009 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Nothing Kev... I have checked now and again. Nada. Sorry.

Since I'm a moron when it comes to finding breeding info, that kinda stuff, perhaps someone could see if she became a mom (?).

Here's hoping.


She hasn't been updated on Pedigree Query in quite a while and she is not on there as having any progeny either.

Gonna send Jeff Bonde an email and see if I might get a response.

Duvalier 12-13-2009 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
She hasn't been updated on Pedigree Query in quite a while and she is not on there as having any progeny either.

Gonna send Jeff Bonde an email and see if I might get a response.

Kev...She has a 2009 colt by Street Sense

my miss storm cat 12-13-2009 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier
She has a 2009 colt by Street Sense.

Wow that was fast! Thanks for checking... mystery solved.

GPK 12-13-2009 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier
Kev...She has a 2009 colt by Street Sense


Very cool, thanks.:tro:

my miss storm cat 12-20-2009 01:13 PM

Headache and Quarter Moon, Hollywood R6 yesterday...

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...121909USA6.pdf

my miss storm cat 01-01-2010 06:30 PM

I heard, on another forum, that Headache didn't make it but I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere else so I haven't added him to the angels list yet.

He was a cool horse.

I hope it's incorrect information although I think it's probably accurate because of how bad it apparently looked. Poor guy.

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Show 'em All, and PVal today at FG...

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...010110USA8.pdf

my miss storm cat 01-07-2010 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
DRF...

http://www.drf.com/news/article/97413.html

Bilo pulled up, back with Jones
Jay Privman

A little more than 13 months ago, Bilo won the Grade 1 Triple Bend Handicap. He followed that up with a victory in the California Cup Sprint Handicap, an emotional win for trainer Marty Jones, since it occurred just days after the passing of Bilo's owner and breeder, Ed Nahem.

Bilo, now 8, was subsequently sold to owners Scott Anastasi and Dan Capen and transferred to Mike Mitchell, but his form has gone south. After two poor tries in stakes races, he was dropped into a $62,500 claimer here on Aug. 2, and beat one horse. Then on Sunday, when plummeting to the $25,000 claiming level in a 6 1/2-furlong race, Bilo got about 50 yards out of the gate before jockey Jose Valdivia Jr. began to pull him up.

"He felt a little gimpy," Valdivia said Monday. "I hope he's okay."

There were no claims in for Bilo, a gelding, but he's changing barns. Mitchell on Monday gave the horse back to Jones.

"He hasn't run well for me, and Marty loves that old horse," Mitchell said. "I didn't think there was any way we were going to lose him on Sunday. I just wanted to get him in an easier spot and get him eligible for the starter-allowance race on Cal Cup Day. I thought I had him ready to go. I still think he's got some game left.

"The owners told Marty to train him, and if he thinks he should be retired, to retire him. If he wants to run him, he can run him. I've known Marty a long time. His father, Gary, is my best friend. I know Marty loves that horse. If he wants to retire him, I know he'll find him a nice home."

Bilo has won 7 of 19 starts and $524,436.

I don't have pp's for this race...

Anyone know how many times he's run since this post? I'm shocked to see him here.

Santa Anita Park - January 9, 2010

Race 9 - 4:38 PM
CLAIMING $8,000

Purse $10,000. For Four Year Olds And Upward. Weight, 123 Lbs. Non-winners of a race since November 25, 2009 Allowed 2 Lbs. Claiming Price $8,000 (Maiden and Claiming races for $6,250 or less not considered). Six And One Half Furlongs. (All Weather Track)
PP Horse Virtual
Stable A/S Med Claim $ Jockey Wgt Trainer
1 Turkish Victory (KY) 6/G L* $8,000 V Espinoza 121 M F Jones
2 Bilo (CA) 10/G L* $8,000 J Talamo 121 M F Jones
3 Frankelstein (CA) 9/G L* $8,000 E Gomez 121 K E Craigmyle
4 Stormy Game (CA) 5/G L* $8,000 R Bejarano 121 G Sherlock
5 Saint Chocolate (CA) 4/C L* $8,000 P Atkinson 121 D L Hendricks
6 Legendary Mud (CA) 6/G L* $8,000 J Rosario 121 F J Monteleone
7 Sidepocket Lou (CA) 5/G L* $8,000 S R Amador 121 J Periban
8 Little Bro (CA) 5/G L* $8,000 G F Almeida 121 J E DeLima
9 Doriprize (ARG) 6/G L* $8,000 M A Pedroza 121 R Becerra
10 Warrens Flyin High (CA) 5/H L* $8,000 J A Garcia 121 J C Van Berg
11 Swiss Ski (CA) 6/G L* $8,000 M C Baze 121 J Carava
12 So Behold (CA) 6/G L* $8,000 B Blanc 121 G Piccioni
13 Helm's Press (CA) 8/G L* $8,000 G P Gavica 121 V J Farris
14 Deluxe Cat (KY) 6/G L* $8,000 A Ajtebi 121 C A Lewis

Indian Charlie 01-07-2010 02:57 PM

He has 22 lifetime starts now, so I guess three times.

All three starts he ran second. For 10k, 16k then 12.5k.

my miss storm cat 01-07-2010 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
He has 22 lifetime starts now, so I guess three times.

All three starts he ran second. For 10k, 16k then 12.5k.

Thanks.

Wow... I'm just speechless to see him run at this level. Had no idea about these last few races.

Hope he wins and that he gets a nice home (if he's claimed) and that whatever is in his best interest happens.

I'm still a fan. Thanks for the info.

my miss storm cat 01-10-2010 04:23 PM

Bilo update... he was scratched.

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Leo, at Aqueduct today.

I can remember his pre-Godolphin days... he was 2nd to Horatio Nelson once. He had so much potential...

Hope he's alright.

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...011010USA1.pdf

prudery 01-10-2010 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Bilo update... he was scratched.

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Leo, at Aqueduct today.

I can remember his pre-Godolphin days... he was 2nd to Horatio Nelson once. He had so much potential...

Hope he's alright.

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...011010USA1.pdf

I am sorry to say that Leo apparently broke sesamoids and was quickly and humanely attended to ...

Did not make it ...

chucklestheclown 01-10-2010 11:10 PM

Sorry.

letswastemoney 01-11-2010 12:02 AM

Heyy. Is Discontent okay? He sort of knocked me out of SA Showvivor, but as long as he didn't break anything with that bad step.

my miss storm cat 01-11-2010 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery
I am sorry to say that Leo apparently broke sesamoids and was quickly and humanely attended to ...

Did not make it ...

I appreciate you finding out.

I'll add him to the angels list. :(

my miss storm cat 01-11-2010 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Heyy. Is Discontent okay? He sort of knocked me out of SA Showvivor, but as long as he didn't break anything with that bad step.

I'll see if I can find anything...

Indian Charlie 01-11-2010 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Heyy. Is Discontent okay? He sort of knocked me out of SA Showvivor, but as long as he didn't break anything with that bad step.

Gone.

Pedigree Ann 01-11-2010 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Heyy. Is Discontent okay? He sort of knocked me out of SA Showvivor, but as long as he didn't break anything with that bad step.

Put me out, too. Hope I haven't killed another horse by picking it in a contest. (For three years straight, at least one of my Road to the Roses stable bit the dust.)

Pedigree Ann 01-11-2010 07:06 PM

Bummer. Didn't read to the end before posting.


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