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freddymo 05-12-2008 10:21 AM

Smart... Wait till Travers to take on Big Brown..What's the rush.. I would rather win the Travers then the Preakness anyday.

Alan07 05-12-2008 10:46 AM

No diamonds for Freida?

CSC 05-12-2008 10:56 AM

Just waiting for it to be announced on one of the major publications but that is the word also from Jensblog of DRF and the Morningline odds maker at Woodbine.

philcski 05-12-2008 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
According to Adena racing venture..."Mr Stronach has decided against the Preakness for Harlem Rocker (15). The focus will remain on the Queen's Plate.

I was wrong. Surprised to say the least.

Official as per DRF... I was also wrong, and surprised. He'll jog in the Queen's Plate though.

CSC 05-12-2008 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
Official as per DRF... I was also wrong, and surprised. He'll jog in the Queen's Plate though.

I don't know how he will do on Poly and how he will handle turf for that matter, but perhaps Stronach is shooting for the Triple up there. Now really getting ahead of ourselves now could it set up a match up between 2 TC winners? would have loved to have seen him in the Preakness, he had a shot IMO

NoLuvForPletch 05-12-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Smart... Wait till Travers to take on Big Brown..What's the rush.. I would rather win the Travers then the Preakness anyday.

If BB is the real deal, and still sound and racing in August, he would present a much tougher challenge to HR then than 2 weeks after running in the derby.

My guess is they are hoping BB is no longer in the picture later in the year.

Kasept 05-12-2008 12:15 PM

A reminder of the 12 as they stand..

1. Big Brown
2. Stevil
3. Tres Borrachos
4. Giant Moon
5. Kentucky Bear
6. Yankee Bravo
7. Behindatthebar
8. Racecar Rhapsody
9. Icabad Crane
10. Hey Byrn
11. Riley Tucker
12. Macho Again

Kasept 05-12-2008 02:05 PM

GAYEGO – Trainer Paulo Lobo reported Monday morning that a start in the Preakness Stakes by Cubanacan Stables’ Gayego is under consideration.

“I’m going to decide (Tuesday). We are going to have a meeting,” Lobo said from Southern California. “I’m going to track him in the morning, then we’ll make a decision.”

Gayego, the Arkansas Derby (G2) winner, finished a troubled 17th in the Kentucky Derby, in which he had to be steadied in traffic after getting off to a sluggish start. Lobo said his colt never got into the race after his early troubles.

“That’s the reason we are thinking about (the Preakness),” he said. “He’s very happy right now and he came back very sound.”

philcski 05-12-2008 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
GAYEGO – Trainer Paulo Lobo reported Monday morning that a start in the Preakness Stakes by Cubanacan Stables’ Gayego is under consideration.

“I’m going to decide (Tuesday). We are going to have a meeting,” Lobo said from Southern California. “I’m going to track him in the morning, then we’ll make a decision.”

Gayego, the Arkansas Derby (G2) winner, finished a troubled 17th in the Kentucky Derby, in which he had to be steadied in traffic after getting off to a sluggish start. Lobo said his colt never got into the race after his early troubles.

“That’s the reason we are thinking about (the Preakness),” he said. “He’s very happy right now and he came back very sound.”

Gayego could offer EXCELLENT value underneath in the Preakness. He's much better than his Derby performance, and there generally isn't much support for 17th place finishers in the Derby.

10 pnt move up 05-12-2008 03:26 PM

I thought this horse was not doing great before the Derby, ran like crap in the Derby, now ships to socal, and back to Baltimore...........oh boy, he is alot more likely to run last then first.

ateamstupid 05-12-2008 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
Gayego could offer EXCELLENT value underneath in the Preakness. He's much better than his Derby performance, and there generally isn't much support for 17th place finishers in the Derby.

I totally disagree. I think most people will put a line through his Derby (as they probably should), and he'll get bet down to 6-1 or so off of his previous two races.

I still don't think he's a legitimate 9+ furlong horse, and I'd need 10-1 or better to include him.

slotdirt 05-12-2008 03:31 PM

I don't know about value, in fact, I'd suspect the horse would be second favorite in the race even given his Derby finish.

Kasept 05-13-2008 01:45 PM

GAYEGO – Trainer Paulo Lobo reported Tuesday that Gayego is a “go” for Saturday’s Preakness Stakes. The son of Gilded Time, who galloped 1¼ miles at Hollywood Park Tuesday morning, is scheduled to arrive at Pimlico Wednesday afternoon following a cross-country flight that he will share with Preakness hopeful Yankee Bravo.

“He’s an extremely good shipper,” said Lobo, whose colt shipped to Oaklawn Park in April for a victory in the Arkansas Derby and shipped again for a start in the Kentucky Derby on May 3.

Gayego finished a disappointing 17th in the Derby as the sixth betting choice in a field of 20, compromised by a sluggish start and early crowding. Lobo reported that the Kentucky-bred colt didn’t overexert himself in the Run for the Roses.

“He came back very well,” he said. “He’s been eating everything. He’s feeling happy.” Mike Smith, who has ridden Gayego in each of his six lifetime starts, has the return mount for the Preakness. Smith rode Prairie Bayou to victory in 1993. Lobo has not started a horse at Pimlico.

slotdirt 05-13-2008 01:53 PM

You know what? I'm actually psyched Gayego is coming to Baltimore. Even with his Derby finish, I would suggest his entry would undoubtedly add to the overall quality of the Preakness field.

MisterB 05-13-2008 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
his entry would undoubtedly add to the overall quality of the Preakness field.

That's not hard to do
;)

eagles725 05-13-2008 02:20 PM

Big Brown/Gayego/All
Big Brown/All/Gayego

:D

NoLuvForPletch 05-13-2008 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eagles725
Big Brown/Gayego/All
Big Brown/All/Gayego

:D

if you think that much of him for $11 more, don't forget Gayego/BB/All

personally, i'm glad he's running because he'll take money and for me he's a toss...he's logged more miles in the past two weeks than shelly the stewardess...

eagles725 05-13-2008 02:34 PM

I wonder what the board consensus would be of which horse besides
Big Brown will hit the board. I 'll use him just for the fun of it.

hockey2315 05-13-2008 05:30 PM

Kentucky Bear

letswastemoney 05-13-2008 11:50 PM

Gayego is the only other horse that can win. I mean what other horse has posted triple digit beyers on the dirt? (besides Big Brown)

hockey2315 05-14-2008 01:19 AM

Gayego can't win. . .

Oaklawnfan 05-14-2008 05:15 AM

He works very well in the Exotics however.

zippyneedsawin 05-14-2008 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oaklawnfan
He works very well in the Exotics however.

Absolutely... unfortunately, most people will think the same thing!

CSC 05-14-2008 10:07 AM

If we put a line through the derby, I did like his Arkansas Derby. The problem is the Z horse that finished 2nd in the race ran up the track in the derby. Which is not a good recommendation in my eyes.

SniperSB23 05-14-2008 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
If we put a line through the derby, I did like his Arkansas Derby. The problem is the Z horse that finished 2nd in the race ran up the track in the derby. Which is not a good recommendation in my eyes.

And the Arkanasas Derby horses that ran in the Lone Star Derby stunk it up despite figures that suggested they'd be competitive. They botched the figures in the Arkansas Derby by not splitting the variant. Treat it as if a 94 Beyer won the race and then decide if he still looks good to you.

ateamstupid 05-14-2008 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
And the Arkanasas Derby horses that ran in the Lone Star Derby stunk it up despite figures that suggested they'd be competitive. They botched the figures in the Arkansas Derby by not splitting the variant. Treat it as if a 94 Beyer won the race and then decide if he still looks good to you.

I've been saying this for a minute. Gayego's a toss for me, and I disagree with the notion that he'll somehow provide value in exotics. The second choice in a race with an odds-on favorite rarely provides value anywhere but maybe on top in a multi-race wager.

jjf1031 05-14-2008 11:06 AM

Going to take a shot with Racecar Rhapsody simply based on the idea of him getting off the Poly. Other than that will be limited wagering

slotdirt 05-14-2008 11:17 AM

Has there ever been a race with 13 entrants as seemingly unbettable as this one?

slotdirt 05-14-2008 11:38 AM

As Kasept also mentioned yesterday, it appears Maryland Jockey Club will soon be on its third head in six months as Magna has replaced Lou Raffetto's replacement with the gentleman who currently runs Rosecroft, a PG County, Maryland, harness facility, according to today's Washington Post. Last I checked, Rosecroft is on such poor financial footing that they're down to one day of live racing each week, and a deal to sell the facility to Penn National Gaming even fell through earlier this year.

Nothing else to add other than there have been some curious decisions in Maryland racing the last six months or so.

eagles725 05-14-2008 11:55 AM

Well right now I have a glass of water, a spoon for stirring, and a packet of Steve's Kentucky Bear Kool Aid, ready to be mixed and fired down :D

alysheba4 05-14-2008 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
Has there ever been a race with 13 entrants as seemingly unbettable as this one?

.....yes.

Alan07 05-14-2008 03:34 PM

Big Brown the 1-2 favorite for Preakness Stakes
 
Kentucky Derby winner Big Brown is the 1-2 morning-line favorite for Saturday’s 133rd Preakness Stakes, for which 13 three-year-olds were entered this morning. None of the other 12 horses are less than single-digit odds in linemaker Frank Carulli’s line.

Post positions won't be determined until late this afternoon, when a traditional draw will be held at the ESPN Zone in the Inner Harbor (5-6 p.m. EDT ESPN2).

The Preakness broke from the Kentucky Derby last year in reverting back to the time-honored “luck of the draw” instead of the two-tiered system Churchill Downs instituted 11 years ago where participants select their horses’ starting posts.

Besides Big Brown, Gayego is the only other Derby starter to advance to the 1 3/16-mile Preakness, marking only the sixth time since 1918 that only two starters made both races. The last time was in 1980 when Codex, who was not nominated to the Derby, defeated Derby-winning filly Genuine Risk.

Here are the horses, with riders and trainers, with Pimlico oddsmaker Frank Carulli’s odds:

Big Brown Desormeaux/Dutrow 1-2

Behindatthebar Flores/Pletcher 10-1

Gayego Smith/Lobo 8-1

Giant Moon Dominguez/Schosberg 30-1

Hey Byrn Lopez/Plesa 20-1

Icabad Crane Rose/Motion 30-1

Kentucky Bear Theriot/Baker 15-1

Macho Again Leparoux/Stewart 20-1

Racecar Rhapsody Albarado/McPeek 30-1

Riley Tucker Prado/Mott 30-1

Stevil Velazquez/Zito 30-1

Tres Borrachos T. Baze/Greely 30-1

Yankee Bravo Solis/Gallagher 15-1

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...RTS08/80514030

timmgirvan 05-14-2008 03:41 PM

I heard that Behindthebar had a fever...starter?

slotdirt 05-14-2008 04:26 PM

For those of us unable to watch television at the moment, any chance someone could update us on the draw? I'm sure Big Brown is 13.

ninetoone 05-14-2008 04:28 PM

Macho Again 1
Tres Borrachos 2
Ichabad Crane 3
Yankee Bravo 4
Behindatthebar 5
Racecar Rhapsody 6
Big Brown 7
Kentucky Bear 8
Stevil 9
Riley Tucker 10
Giant Moon 11
Gayego 12
Hey Byrn 13

slotdirt 05-14-2008 04:43 PM

Good stuff, ninetoone, Thanks!

ninetoone 05-14-2008 04:45 PM

No problem, good luck everyone!

ceejay 05-14-2008 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Gayego is the only other horse that can win. I mean what other horse has posted triple digit beyers on the dirt? (besides Big Brown)

Do you mean the horse beaten by 36.75 lengths by Big Brown?;)

Better Than Honour 05-14-2008 06:14 PM

This looks like a Big Brown- Kentucky Bear cold exacta which I will parlay onto the Casino Drive-Big Brown cold exacta in 3 weeks.


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