No Rupert, we dont "play the cards" rather we deal them. The US hasnt just supported dictators, we have put them in power and sponsored all of their attrocities and violations against humanity. I understand the US must play a sort of shell game in the grand scheme of world politics. But do we have to disguise these intentions to the American people as if we are indeed being pure in all of our motives? I have seen each one of you sit here and say initially that the moves made were in the name of "freedom" and "fight against tyranny" and now it seems that you are going back on that a little. Maybe a lot.

Why should it have "great bipartisan support in congress"? Have you ever thought about that once when there was a commercial on Rush's show?

I would love to see a fair and balanced approach to the middle east where the opinions, feelings, needs and interests of all sides were taken into account. Israel has a right to defend herself...no doubt. But not on my dollar.

Now that's a great answer !!!

You're learning fast, Jimbo ... these guys are fast with the criticisms ... but they never offer an alternative.

The other guy said I was "insane" because of the tax distribution numbers I posted ... but ... did you notice that he never came up with figures of his own to refute mine?

Yup ... that's the technique to use with them ... "Hey, you don't like the strategy that was used ... then what would you have done ... hmmmm?"

Shuts 'em down every time.

Notice there is no response to why I should pay for their military instead of the Israeli taxpayer paying for their own military. I am glad people in my own country that pay taxes that live in New Orleans or MS can't get their city rebuilt with their own tax dollar because we need to make sure taxes stay low in a foreign country. God must not want them to pay too much in taxes. :eek:

I notice you conveniently left out every country I mentioned ... where we backed a dictator against communist aggression ... then after we defeated communism ... we helped Taiwan, South Korea, The Phillipines, Chile, Nicaragua, and El Salvador become free democracies.

You did mention Nicaragua ... but to what end? We helped defeat the communists and it's now a free democracy ... did you prefer a different outcome ... and what would that outcome have been?

Congo? Are you serious? That was a Belgian colony which never even made it on our radar. We never had ... and never wanted ... any influence there.

Idi Amin? We always worked against him ... and now Uganda is an emerging democracy. Another successful strategy and outcome. What would you have preferred?

Pol Pot? He was a murderous communist whom we worked against ... but unfortunately we couldn't prevent from coming to power after the communists swept into South Vietnam ... after our Democrat Congress shamelessly abandoned our allies by completely cutting off our aid.

How about Iran? That was a case where numbskull Jimmuh abandoned a pro-western dictator ... the shah ... and handed the country over to the fanatical mullahs ... and the entire world has been paying a horrible price ever since. Doncha think that staying with the shah would have been better than the idiotic strategy of Jimmuh ... the worst president we've ever had?

And Vietnam? Another horrible mistake of not backing a pro-western Christian dictator ... Diem. Did I say not backing him? Hey .. the idiot Kennedy had him murdered! Again ... was not backing a pro-western dictator in South Vietnam a good idea?

Yes, my friend ... there are times when choosing the lesser of two evils yields beneficial results ... South Korea, Taiwan, The Phillipines, Chile, Nicaragua, El Salvador ... and other times when NOT backing a dictator leads to even worse results ... Vietnam, Iran.

You do see that now ... don't you?

Folks ... as you see ... this man is seriously demented.

I answered his question three times ... and even offered to pay his tab for our aid to Israel ... but he's still saying there's "no response."

As I said .. if the real Bold Ruler had performed like this guy ... he'd have been gelded and sent to Nebraska.

What a sad, sorry loser.

Hey ... talk to me, pal ... I'm right in front of you.

I listed 44 countries with billions of people that we've liberated over the past 65 years ... and you continue to ignore that fact .... and make wild, baseless claims completely unsupported by any facts.

And I've backed down from nothing ... because I've embarrassed and humiliated you and your buddies throughout this thread.

Your other little pal ran away with his tail between his legs. He only shows up to throw sand in the air .. and then wait for you to say, "Hey, man ... you're great."

All we get from you guys is a circle jerk ... which I guess is what makes you really happy.

As I've said many times, Rupe ... don't expect a serious answer from these guys ...

... because all they can do is throw sand in the air and congratulate each other's ignorance.

That's their M.O. ... because they have nothing else.

You answered nothing. You think americans should pay more taxes so Israelis, like yourself, can pay less in taxes. It is that simple.

You my friend are the loser. Answer this question, where is your first allegiance to the US or Israel? And only one country can come first. If US interests clash with Israeli interests, which do you side with? Go ahead traitor, answer that one.

Here is another. Are you in favor of getting a pardon for Jonathan Pollard, a traitor to the United States, like many people from Israel are?

Answer the questions this time. Don't pull your change the topic crap either.

I'm getting more hopeful that you're right about Israel's strategy ... I expect to see some real fireworks in the next week.

And I hope and pray that Junior from Damascus decides to get involved ... he probably won't because he's a complete coward ... but maybe he's just dumb enough to do so.

And yeah ... that guy really gave himself away by quoting Buchanan ... now we know just who he is and where he's coming from.

Are you going to answer my last post or just hide like one of the little girls in your military? :eek:

You answer nothing ... all the time.

You said you would answer my earlier post point-by-point ... but I told everyone that you never would ... and you haven't.

I challenged you right to your face ... but you did what you always do ... put your tail between your legs and run away ... then wait for your buddies to show up so you can be "brave" again.

You got really scared when I told you Dixie was standing behind you ... didn't you?

When are you going to live up to your boast ... and answer my post point-by-point?

As I pointed out, you couldn't answer my questions, because you are a TRAITOR.

Little girls? MY military?

OK, pal ... you really hung yourself with that one ...

... I'm done with you ... but unfortunately for you ... I don't think Dixie is ...

... in fact ... he's standing right behind you ... LOOK OUT !!!!

Actually it is what they teach in american laws schoolsl. Idiot.

Let's ROLL !!!

Do they teach how to spell "schools"? And how to capitalize "American"?

As you see, folks ...

... when you stand up to these guys ... they eventualy get so frustrated and emotional that they expose their true selves.

We're clearly dealing here with a bunch of America-haters ... who have no real ideas ... but whose every word, move, and reflex is controlled by a hatred for the country which has protected them and allowed them to live in security and freedom.

At some point ... it becomes useless to continue debate with them ... because they're not only beyond reason ... they're even beyond humiliation and shame.

So that takes all the fun out it. How much more could I have humiliated them? And yet their hatred makes them impervious to even knowing how utterly foolish they look.

1) I said the countries are insignifcant, no mention of the people. They are insignificant, nothing would change if they were there or weren't there.
2) American Values are not stated in the Constitution or Declaration. You are a simple minded idiot. There is no such thing as American Values. Why were there slaves and women with no rights for almost 100 years after the constitution and declaration if the "american values" you love to throw around existed.
3) I didn't say all Jews were Ortodox Jews, I just said the religious ones run that country
4) YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT INCOME TAXES. Stop believing everything Rush tells you.
5) Terrorists can be freedom fighters. George Washington was viewed as a terrorist and fought a war similar to what many "terrorist" groups are doing now.
6) I didn't forget who we liberated. I know significantly more about world history than you ever will know.
7) I am well aware Iraq has a democratically elected government, but it is a puppet government that can't even get its own military going after years of training. In WWII the US trained its soldiers in a matter of weeks, but the Iraqi's need years.
8) Oil is more expensive than it should be because of oil traders, but it is still cheaper than it should be in a fair market. You probably don't understand how pricing of oil works, but traders determine the price, based on supply and demand, but if the Arab countries wanted to they could get a ton more for their goods. Their dictators agree to keep the price low in exchange for the US protecting them from the masses.

There are your answers. Now you answer my questions about where your loyalty is and your view on a traitor from your country. I find it odd that a "friend" of the US seems to have an awful lot of spies caught spying on their "friend" the United States.

Great it is deadly serious to them. Let them pay for it then. No more US tax dollars for them.

The America-haters could care less about the suffering of decent human beings.

"You're either with us ... or you're with the terrorists" ... and they've made it abundantly clear ... that they're with the terrorists.

God bless you ... and everyone you love, my friend.

Notice again, no answer to the question about loyalties and traitors. What a surprise. Once again, avoid the question. You are so full of it it is amazing. Did Rush or Sean teach you that yesterday afternoon? I love the attack on grammar and spelling on a chat site. That is hilarious. Some of us type quickly.

Hey, bud ... I offered to reimburse you for the 45¢ this is costing you.

But you ran and hid from that one too ... didn't you?

That is my favorite argument. I am just going to guess you never spent a day in the military, just like Dick Cheney, Wolfowitz, Libby, but you love to say you are with us or against us, as long as I don't have to fight. COWARD.

You seem to have an inordinate fear of radio entertainers.

No surprise ... since you're also scared witless by typed words which appear on your monitor.

WATCH OUT !!!




Heh-heh-heh ... I love to scare this guy.

Why don't you reimburse all the americans their money? That would be about $100 Billion. Wow, I wonder if you could rebuild a town like New Orleans or provide better education or healthcare with that money.


You are so dumb, it isn't even funny. That is a nice house and drug habit you rush limbaugh supporters have built him. LOL.

WHERE IS MY ANSWER TO WHERE YOUR LOYALTIES REST AND YOUR VIEW ON TRAITORS LIKE JONATHAN POLLARD? I answered your comments point by point. WHERE IS YOUR ANSWER, TRAITOR?

Still can't bring yourself to capitalize "American" can you?

You really need help ... you really should go see a competent psychiatrist ... and try to find out why you hate the hand that has fed and nurtured you.

Sick ... sick ... sick.

You should change your name from bold brooklynite to bold tel aviv, because you clearly are no american.

Can you repeat the answers?

Just copy and paste them ... so everyone can see them.

You send me your e-mail in a private message and I will send you my op-ed piece that ran in Stars and Stripes, the US Military newspaper. Then you say that about me, coward. I actually care about my country and the people that fight for it, unlike traitors like you that talk a big game but do nothing.

YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO AMERICA.

That's American ... with a capital "A"

And Brooklyinite ... with a capital "B"

Post #145. Do I need to put that in Hebrew for you? LOL.

And Traitor with a T. :eek: Because that is what you are.

STILL NO ANSWER.

ARE YOUR LOYALTIES TO AMERICA OR ISRAEL, when their interests don't go hand in hand?

ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF FREEING AN ISRAELI SPY LIKE JONATHAN POLLARD, A TRAITOR TO AMERICA, like many israelis?


Mr Bold, or Traitor, or whatever your name is, seems to have a big mouth, but not on these questions. :eek:

Sometimes ... when you say "May I have your attention?" ... although you usually don't say "May I" ...

... the answer is "No."

No ... you may not have my attention ... even if you type in all caps.

Notice I answered questions to me, but a traitor and a coward like you, can't answer two simply questions.

ARE YOUR LOYALTIES TO AMERICA OR ISRAEL, when their interests don't go hand in hand?

ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF FREEING AN ISRAELI SPY LIKE JONATHAN POLLARD, A TRAITOR TO AMERICA, like many israelis?

What have I asked that 10x now, with no response?

When I asked why my tax dollars should pay for your countries military, you came up with a ridiculous answer, but after 20x you answered it. This time, no answer at all.

No surprise. YOU ARE A TRAITOR. The truth comes out. Your allegiance is obviously to another country. Very sad. Please don't comment on my country, the greatest country in the world, the United States of America, any longer. You really aren't an American.

So ... as always ... it gets personal with you and your ilk.

You have no ideas ... no facts ... no ability to form cogent thoughts ... and no writing skills ... other than to put everything in boldface or all caps ...

... so .. all you're left with are name-calling and personal attacks.

You revealed yourself quite a few posts ago ... we don't need any more posts from you to reinforce what we already know.

Where are your answers? They are two simple questions. How hard is it for you to answer them? Just admit you are not a real American. That your first allegiance is to another country, just like your hero Jonathan Pollard. I bet Marc Rich was another hero of yours.

You love to go attacking us Real Americans and you aren't even one. Enough with you traitors. I bet if you were alive in 1776 you would have sided with the British and tried to hedge your bet with the Americans. I am glad you aren't a real American, we don't like cowards in our country.

The United States of America is the land of the free and home of the brave, not the coward with allegiance to another country.

With the new world we live in US and Israeli interest often clash. To paraphrase you favorite saying, "You are either an american or not an american and you are with us or against us." You seem to be against us.

I thought this was a fair and balanced article that summarizes where American tax dollars are going as well as offering something other than an uber-Zionist view of the MidEast.


by Jonathan Cook

July 22, 2006



The general surprise that Lebanese civilians are taking the brunt of Israel's onslaught – and the unwillingness in some quarters of the media to report the fact – reflects a poor understanding of Israel's historical use of violence. Since its birth six decades ago, Israel has always been officially "going after the terrorists," but its actions have invariably harmed civilians in an indiscriminate manner.



The roll call of dishonor is long indeed, but its highlights include: the massacre of some 200 civilians in Tantura, as well as large-scale massacres in at least a dozen other Palestinian villages, during the 1948 war that established Israel; Ariel Sharon's attack on the village of Qibya in 1953 that killed 70 innocent Palestinians; the Kfar Qassem massacre inside Israel when 49 farm workers were gunned down at an improvised army checkpoint; a massacre in the same year in the refugee camp of Khan Yunis, in Gaza, in which more than 250 civilians were killed; attacks on dozens of Palestinian, Egyptian and Syrian villages during the 1967 war; the killing of six unarmed Arab citizens of Israel in 1976; the massacre of hundreds of Palestinian civilians in the Lebanese refugee camps of Sabra and Shatilla in 1982; the unremitting use of lethal force by the army against unarmed Palestinians, often women and children, during the first intifada of 1987-93; the aerial bombardment of Qana in south Lebanon in 1996 that killed more than 100 civilians; and the endless "collateral damage" of Palestinian civilians during the second intifada, including a half-ton bomb that killed a husband and wide and their seven children a week ago.



The true reasons for these deaths are concealed from credulous observers by Israel's use of Orwellian language. When it says it is destroying the "infrastructure of terror," Israel means it is crushing all Arab resistance to its territorial ambitions in the region. The "infrastructure" includes most Arab men, women and children because they continue to support – against Israel's wishes – their peoples' rights to self-determination without interference from the Israeli army.



In this sense, and others, there is very little difference between what Israel is doing in Gaza to overturn the democratic wishes of the Palestinian electorate and what it is doing in Lebanon to smash any hopes of a democratic future for its northern neighbor. In Gaza, it wants Hamas destroyed because Hamas is prepared to counter Israel's unilateral policies with its own unilateral agenda; and in Lebanon, Israel wants Hezbollah obliterated because it is the only force capable, possibly, of preventing a repeat of Israel's long invasion and occupation of the 1980s and 1990s.



By rounding up the Palestinian cabinet, Israel is not destroying terror, it is clipping the political wings of Hamas, those in its leadership who are quickly learning the arts of government and searching for a space in which they can negotiate with Israel. Through its rejectionist behavior, Israel is only confirming the doubts of those in the Hamas military wing who argue Israel always acts in bad faith.



Similarly in Lebanon, Israel is holding Hezbollah less to account with its attacks than the Lebanese people and their government, despite the latter's transparently shaky grip on the country. Israel's military strikes polarize opinion in Lebanon, weaken Fouad Siniora and his ministers, and threaten to push Lebanon over the brink into another civil war.



Israel is keen to talk about "changing the balance of power" in Gaza and Lebanon, implying that it is trying to strengthen the "democrats" against the "terrorists." But this impression is entirely false. Israeli actions are destroying what little balance of power exists in Gaza and Lebanon so that the two areas become ungovernable.



In Gaza, Israel has been engineering a debilitating struggle for power between Fatah and Hamas, while in Lebanon whatever hollow shell of national unity has existed till now is in danger of cracking under the strain of the Israeli onslaught.



Superficially at least, this seems self-destructive behavior on Israel's part, given that it has also been striving to detect the fingerprints of outside actors in Gaza and Lebanon.



In the case of Gaza, Israel points to Syria as a safe haven for the exiled Hamas leader Khaled Meshal, to Hezbollah and Iran as sponsors of Hamas "terror" and even to a new al-Qaeda presence. In the case of Lebanon, Israel additionally identifies the strong ties between Hezbollah and Damascus and Tehran.



So why would Israel want Lebanon and Gaza to be ravaged by factional fighting of the kind that might make them more vulnerable to this kind of unwelcome interference from outside?



A history lesson or two helps clarify Israel's reasoning.



In the occupied Palestinian territories, Hamas was born during the upheavals of the first intifada and encouraged by Israel as a counterweight to the unifying secular Palestinian nationalism of Yasser Arafat.



In Lebanon, the Shi'ite militia Hezbollah was the inevitable byproduct of Israel's occupation of the south and its establishment of a mostly Christian proxy militia, the South Lebanon Army, against the Muslim majority.



In both cases it is clear Israel hoped that, by Islamizing its opponents in these regional conflicts, it would delegitimize them in the eyes of Western allies and that it could cultivate sectarianism as a way to further weaken the social cohesiveness of its neighbors.



Recently Israel has encouraged the slide deeper into Islamic extremism through its policies of unilateralism and its refusal to negotiate.



The same set of policies is being continued now in the Palestinian territories and Lebanon: the shattering of these two societies will only deepen the trend toward radical Islam. Islamic movements not only offer the best hope of local resistance to Israel for these weakened societies but they also offer a parallel social infrastructure of health care and welfare services as state institutions collapse.



There is immediate advantage for Israel in this outcome. With secular society crushed and Islamic resistance movements filling the void, Israel will be able to reinforce the impression of many in the West that Israel is on the front line of global "war of terror" being waged by a single implacable enemy, Islam. Israel's ability to persuade the world that this war is being waged against the whole "civilized" Judeo-Christian West will be made that bit easier.



As a result, Israel may be able to drag its paymaster, the United States, deeper into the mire of the Middle East as a junior partner rather than as an honest broker, giving Israel cover while it carves up yet more Palestinian land for annexation, puts further pressure on the Palestinians to leave their homeland, and destabilizes its regional enemies so that they are powerless to offer protest or resistance.



For some time President Bush has found himself in no position to criticize Israeli actions when Tel Aviv claims to be doing no more to the Palestinians than the US is doing to the Iraqis. If the US allows itself to be handcuffed to Israel's even more extreme version of the "war on terror," the consequences will be dire not just for the Palestinians or the region, but for all of us.

Being the wonderful, kind person that I am ... I'm always willing to help the unfortunate among us.

You have a great deal of difficulty with reading comprehension ... and a very poor memory ... so I'll do the best I can to assist you.

At 8:47pm last night ... that's about 18 hours ago ... I posted extensive details about how ignorant and self-humiliating your posts were (Post #104 on this thread).

At 9:01pm ... you posted again ... but completely avoided any response to what I had posted ... but ... you did say you would respond point-by-point (Post #106).

But ... at 9:27pm ... I told you ... and the world ... right to your face ... that you neither had the fortitude, knowledge, or skills to reply (Post #109). And ... as always ... I was right ... in the nearly 18 hours since ... you haven't replied.

Perhaps you thought everyone else forgot ... or more likely ... given your poor cerebral functions ... you forgot.

But again ... just to show you what a nice guy I am ... I'll repost it now ... and give you one more chance. Do you understand that? You're supposed to read the following words ... and respond to them point-by-point ... just as you said you would 18 hours ago. The post was originally addressed to Dalakhani ... but the person who is referred to as "your boy" is you. Do you really understand that? [Why am I still convinced that he doesn't?]

OK ... here goes ...

"You seem to think that your boy is doing well ... so .. let's look at his record so far on this thread ---

• Says people in small countries are sub-human ... gets slapped down.
• Thinks the Star of David is a religious symbol ... gets humiliated.
• Thinks a country's success depends on "oil" and "minerals" ... another slapdown.
• Doesn't know American values are stated in the Declaration and Constitution ... another humiliation.
• Confronts Dixie ... gets b-slapped.
• Doesn't know the Israeli war is part of the global war on terror ... blatant ignorance.
• Thinks all Israelis are orthodox Jews ... at least he was 10% right.
• Quotes Pat Buchanan ... at least it wasn't David Duke.
• Doesn't know who pays income taxes ... gets slapped down again.
• Thinks terrorists are "freedom fighters" ... still another slapdown.
• Forgot we liberated France, Belgium, and China ... hits the canvas more than Frazier vs. Foreman.
• Doesn't know Iraq has a democratically elected government ... more public ignorance.
• Says oil is "expensive" then says oil is "cheap" ... more self-humiliation.

Hmmm ... if the real Bold Ruler did as well as your boy ... he'd have been gelded and shipped to Nebraska."

Now ... this is your big chance to live up to what you said and respond point-by-point. Do you understand that? Good ... ready ... set .................... GO !!!