wow, thanks

what happened to the big fave, daaher?

Turned out to be one of the best Donns ever...

Kiss the Kid ran a very good race to finish 3rd. Dahaar just didn't have it today. Didn't look as though the jockey could really relax him.

Wrong on Fairbanks. Thanks CDI for twinspires being down.

Daaher is a good miler.

there have been 15 9F races at Gulfstream this year.
11 have been won by the 1 or 2 horse.
all other post positions have only 4 wins.

both races today were won by the 2.

I had a feeling this post was coming. LOL

Agreed re: Kiss the Kid. Huge race. It looked to me like Daaher had to have gotten hurt. Just speculation, but dude was going backwards in the stretch.

His pride maybe.

i give km a bit of blame ..luzzi hasent rode one race at gs till this one..weather the horse was short or not..and i know its his mount out of loyalty..but still......

Luzzi rode him 100% perfectly. How can you even suggest that the rider had anything to do with it? The horse abdicated going into the turn.

Enough with the jockeys.

Daheer was obviously very overrated off of his Cigar Mile win - where on a clear lead he set identical fractions to a wire-to-wire 8/1 shot 2yo Lukas maiden (Legacy Thief) ... however, hard to believe he was going to run that bad.

I think even the last holdouts of the Doug O'Neill stinks with shippers arguement are ready to raise the white flags.

What an awful race.

Obviously you can't use this race as a true measure of Daaher's ability. Something went wrong.

However, as you said, even right after the race, his Cigar Mile wasn't as good as many thought upon disection. As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Right now he looks like a horse that needs things to go his way to shine. Maybe he's a slower version of Commentator. I'm sure you will agree that Commentator would have dominated that Cigar Mile if given an identical trip.

Dominated?

What was the confusing part for you? Was it the number of syllables?

Thats 14.00

Excellent job.

And the exacta...37.60
Damn.

I think he would have won the Cigar for sure.

Amazingly, even with the dream pace/setup he had in the Cigar Mile - Daheer actually ran a few lengths slower than Midnight Lute on the sheet figures...and the sheet figures don't even take pace, trip, and trainer intention into consideration.

The Cigar Mile was flat out CONCEDED to Daheer.

Even if you don't believe - or downgrade stuff like weight and ground loss (like I do) - it was still a race where the winner had every little angle known to man in his corner...while the 2nd place finisher had every little angle known to man against him in that race.

Besides Daheer and Midnight Lute.... there was crap in that field.

Of course Commentator wins the Cigar if allowed the once-in-a-lifetime trip and setup Daheer got.

No, the syllables I can handle. Just not sure I agree that it's a given he would have dominated that race.

If you subtract Daheer - added Commentator - and assumed Commentator would get the same trip as Dahher (which he has the speed to) - of course he would have won in fashion every bit as similar as Daheer won.

And I say think thinking a little less of Commentator than BTW does.

I don't disagree that he would have won. It's just difficult for me to visualize Commentator DOMINATING anything these days other than an optional claimer at Gulfstream on a Thursday over a fast surface around one turn after going the opening 1/4 in 23:4 against the likes of Wood Be Willing.

But whatever.

He would have got the same pace and trip in the Cigar that he did in that optional claimer.

He ran a 119 Beyer in the Opt Claimer.

Please explain to me, how he wouldn't have run just about the same figure with that same trip in the Cigar.

Would the "class" of Midnight Lute ... who would have been well behind him .. somehow slowed Commentator down??

Think this one through.

Not that this necessarily refutes your argument, but when is the last time Commentator won a stakes race against open company, much less a Grade I? I really don't know the answer to that off the top of my head, so someone please tell me.

I suppose it's fair to say he would have won under the exact same conditions, but if you can make that argument for Commentator, you can probably make it for a few other horses currently in training.

In the Whitney, when he beat eventual horse of the year Saint Liam. And that was the last time he was loose on the lead in a Grade 1.


I agree...though, very few would have looked as good as Commentator would have with that kind of a trip.

Under the same logic, can I make the argument that Teuflesburg would have won the Strub today with the same trip as that son of Thunderello?

Could you post the results of the Strub please? Thanks.:)

I guess this moron Hooves took that post down. Thanks for showing it to me. The race set up exactly like I thought. Daaher gets dueled into submission. Brass Hat ran his race. No complaints. Ran respectable. It's tough to close on that track from dead last....but Marinez rode a good race. Horse just isnt what he used to be. My day was made when I was in the paddock at GP and some idiot from NY next to me goes "I came down from NY to see the 2008 HOY Daaher". My reply to him was "Well...you are gonna see him back in NY again....next fall winter on the inner running for a tag". Horses like Daaher only seem to win when things go exactly their way on the lead. Once they face pressure, it's fold time.

As far as Hooves.....my opinion of you hasnt changed. You are borderline retarded.

The synthetic surfaces are a different animal.

Teufelsburg wasn't as good of a turf horse as Monetary Jazz is.

Nobiz?

Be sure to let me know when that happens.

Freddy and I will try to claim him as a stallion prospect.

If Nobiz ran in place of MJ he very likely would have won - though he isn't exactly a run off speed horse like MJ.

all up to the point brass hat was supposed to do something ..your wrong..you didnt see me tout daaher..i just said brass hat was not the great horse you said he was..and as for your oppinion of me.. i do just fine at the windows..and it was a pleasure taking YOUR MONEY ...LMFAO...

You did huh?

Which race did you take my money? It seemed to me you were too scared to take a stand and post your pick after I asked you. You sure as hell didnt tell me Spring at Last.

Grow some balls you dribbling idiot.

There's a subforum on here called Selections. It's fascinating.

why should i tell you anything..it was a gift i even showed you why that horse was not going to do well in this spot...piss off cock roach.....your way out of your league..

jocks dont matter

figs dont matter

age dont matter

learn the basics before you talk........

hey numb nutz i just gave out the high 5 at santa anita......check yourself....

:eek:

Yes, you are some genius, there. So impressive, I poured a drink and perused your last 100 posts to find you winning opinions.

These are the winners you gave out:

Sunwonlovesyou: "I'm glad I bet her to place her last three races"
Smokey Stover: "Yes, I bet a 'ton' at 8-1"
Super Frolic: "That Exacta put hundred dollar bills in my pocket."

Somehow, some way, for God only knows what reason, these great pearls of wisdom were delayed in their transmission until days, weeks or months after the actual races took place.

I hate when that happens.

damn you gettin served, son.

when you watch Daaher in the head-ons in some of his wins, especially after blinkers, you can see the type of horse he is. He is a compact "missle" of a horse. He has a fast turnover rate with his stride. He isn't a big long guy with a natural high cruising rate, he is a powerpack. It just didn't translate all that well into 9 furlongs today. I thought he would run away with Kiss The Kid and they would leave everyone in the dust. Everyone broke very well, and the short run up.

Doesn't mean he still isn't a top miler at all. Coa made a nice ride by getting SaL out and forwardly placed, and it wasn't all that much different from the ride Gomez gave him in Dubai. I was hoping kiss the kid would have done a little more, he didn't get as great a start as I hoped, but there isn't a whole lot of run-up into turn 1 or a whole lot KTK could have done to Spring at Last anyway. Decent tri. Brass Hat raised my bloodpressure about 100 points at the end... Would have been amazing if Kiss the Kid had won it.

A gift?

Surely you are kidding. You are funny. Telling me an 8-1 shot isnt going to win. Going out on a real reach there . Truly impressive.

Your reasoning was hilarious. Even after the race.....still is.

You are a pair of clown shoes.

Did he like Spring at Last ?

If so I will congratulate him. I asked him his opinion of the race and he was afraid to say anything.

Not sure why.