This is not the NFL v. MLB.

Selig asked for a report from a guy who digs deep.
Why?

And if you dont think the federal government plays a role in anything, check out Iraq and your taxes. Professional sports are probably one of the more accessible "businesses" to intrude into. Besides this, there are clear federal laws prohibiting the sales of all these variants of testorone and HGH like compounds. When State governments start to test high school athletes, we have a problem.

There are also other ways to catch guys. They have the stuff on them. Very few people have use for HGH other than Ach. dwarfs. (Which is why the stuff was synthesized in the first place)

what was the penalty a mlb player incurred for a positive steroids test in 2003? can someone look this up for me?

afterwards could you ask all the retards pointing at the nfl to just plead "no contest" so we don't have to go through the formality of a trial?

the nfl had random drug tests (without 24-48 hour notice to the teams they would be conducted) and actually suspended players who tested positive.

the mitchell report was a good day for baseball. pointing out the problem's of other's is just a way not to deal with your own.

No one said it was NFL vs MLB but it ironic that that football which has a much larger problem is treated like they are clean which they are not. I also never said the federal govt doesnt play a role. I said that they dont get anything done. There are about a 1000 examples but I will just use yours, taxes and Iraq. Iraq needs no explination and can you find a better example of loopholes and poor regulaton than the American federal tax system?
"Having the stuff on them" using unsubstantiated testimony is really no more than hearsay. This report is PR and PR only. The owners and Selig are looking to cover their asses.

Us retards arent a actual part of baseball. If sharpies like you who actually believe that humans have advanced so far in 20 years that the 270 pound lineman who ran a 5.2 40 is now a "natural" 325 pound guy who runs a 4.8 40 than a look in the mirror may be needed. I never said anything other than the irony in the perception of the 2 sports both of which are dirty.

and i never said either sport was clean. i simply pointed out that one had a testing regimen that resulted in player suspensions and the other had the emperor's new clothes.

i'll argue nfl vs mlb drug policies all day long if you want. not like it would take a lot of effort.

This was never about drug policies, it was about perceptions. The NFL has tricked people including you, God, into believing it has clean players when nothing could be further to the truth. You have actually made my point for me, with little effort. Thanks.

"and i never said either sport was clean"

damn you and your superior logic! you have me in a box!

one where i sit and actually read other posts. because...what else does one do in a logic box?

Because the report only questioned two trainers in baseball not all of them. Mark and Barry's trainers weren't the ones being questioned in the report.

S fas as Bonds taking them or not the manwent up two full shoe sizes and a 1 7/8 inches in hat size. At his age you quit growing I'd think.

what bar are you and cannon at?

Because Barry's trainer was in jail and McGuire self injected or had his boyfriend Jose do it for him.

There are humans that can do this without enhancement from steriods. I know some of them also.

My neighbor down the street played on the SF superbowl teams as a offensive lineman. He was roided out in college. These were the 80's teams. No one said the drugs are not there. But the NFL has put more of an effort in to stop this crap. Baseball has done nothing.

ANd I still dont get why Selig asked George Mitchell to do this investigation if he wanted it all to go away. This report was not a joke. I am sure Roger will watch his endorsements go down the tube. And his standing arrangement with the Astros will be gone. They put players names out for a reason. It was a shot over the bow.

Can anyone explain why Selig asked for this report?

had he not asked for it, he'd be in hot water. now the named players are in hot water instead.
he did nothing to giambi, so how can he to anyone else?

he can't and he shouldn't. under the rules in effect while most of these guys used there was no punishement.

how can you go back 5 years later and say, "sorry...we changed our minds". despite the bargaining agreement we signed with the union we're now going to hand out sanctions for activities that were "illegal" but for which there was no punishment.

the point of the report is putting that sordid past behind you and at least admitting there was a problem and trying to move forward.

or...

you could point elsewhere. i'm surprised no one has brought up the olympics or bicycling yet.

Mitchell's recommendation was no punishment for exactly the reason God stated. Clearly the names were released for a reason. There is this little path of trainers, personal strength coaches, dealers, etc... that baseball players should not be associated with.

Breaking down a swing with hitting lessons should not involve injections.

Mitchell also stated that the widespread use of some of the cheaper more available drugs (testosterone and derivatives of this type) by high school kids was alarming.

The Olympics are of course much stricter and under a completely diff. set of rules compared to professional sports owned by individuals in a specific country. I imagine Canada might lay the wood to doped up curlers.

On another note Andy P can't be punished because HGH wasn't a banned substance when he took it in 2002. Alot of people are going to be mad over this and other's like him but it wasn't on the banned list back then.

you miss the point.

he could have taken steroids, tested positive, and the punishement would have been the same.

it was the wild west.

but lets concentrate on important stuff. can't you name any other sports where chemicals are an issue?

Well, I just saw Fernando Vina on tv giving his explanation of why he took HGH. This stuff is comical. Classic. He says he did it to help him recover from injuries. Pettite says the same thing. I find it strange that major league players, with teams hiring the best medical staffs and training teams around, would need to go seek out clubhouse managers for their medicines. And not even their OWN clubhouse managers. I would think that if they weren't satisfied with the doctors their clubs were offering, they made enough money to get other top quality doctors. This would be like the CEO of ABC going down to the NBC mailroom seeking medical advice and prescriptions. It doesn't make any sense. But then again, just like the people higher up in baseball, the players think the public is stupid too. The funny thing is, they are right.

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I saw Vina bullshitin' on ESPN.That's what it looks like when somebody is being a liar in public.He was told that the guy says he sold him HGH and a certain kind of steroid.The interviewer asks him point blank if he bought the steroid,and Fernando says "I bought HGH." That's a liar.That's what they do.They answer a question with an affirmative about something they weren't asked about.If they have to lie ,they will,but 1st they try to affirm what they want you to know they did do.If that doesn't work,then they will say they didn't buy the steroid.