i guess that's what i wanted to say....jeez
maybe it's just me, but it seems that tracks for the most part try to card 6, 7, & 8 furlong races. lack of diversity has become rather boring.

i don't think that's the case.

While this is obviously an issue that makes me mad, the REAL problem is that over the last couple years there haven't been enough G1 quality horses to fill the BC races that already existed. I think if the BC had expanded this rapidly in an era with an abundance of really good horses in training, the reaction might not have been quite as strong.
The fact that they are choosing to do this in an era where it makes so little sense, enhances the stupidity of the decision in my opinion.

there aren't enough G1 quality horses to fill any race it seems.

No one said these will be G1 races. If they make these G1 races then it is a terrible decision by the Graded Stakes Committee and I will be upset by it. For the Breeders Cup to add these races though doesn't bother me at all even if I think they are wasting their money. At least they picked races they could add that won't dilute the current fields. And it will be three more interesting races to handicap.

Oh yeah they usually have mortatorium on wagering the weeks leading up to the BC

Check the numbers for this year.

How about if, along with appropriate earnings, a committee starts reviewing all horses that want to enter the Kentucky Derby, and chose to allow only the horses that are determined to be of true Grade 1 caliber?

I don't get this argument. Bettors have a budget, be it weekday or big day. If gamblers want to bet Saturday, they shouldn't blow it Friday, or they should put away more of their yearly budget for this weekend.

How is a bettors money management - or lack of it - the fault of the BC Committee?

Yeah, then they retire early, to me that's a bigger problem.

Check the weather this year, Pillow. That was most definitely the driving factor in handle. It was so wet it made wagering next to impossible.

Yeah I forgot it was sunny and 80 on Friday.

Some of the bettors I know will wager regardless the race is a grade I or a 10k claimer at Finger Lakes.
To say the it will effect the pools because of three more races.....ridiculous.

Too subjective. Everyone has a different opinion of what a true G1 caliber horse is.

Not in these parts.

I so wish it was. Who knows what the handle was Friday in perspective? We have no frame of reference. The number sounded decent but they might do $50 million at Santa Anita next year. We shall see.

1 year doesn't make it a case study.

Well...that's true. 12f races are my absolute favorite races to handicap and bet.
But regardless of what grade they receive, having races called "Breeders' Cup Races" filled with allowance horses bothers me.

Quit talking about me. :D

maybe they're alw. horses because they just haven't found the right spot!:D

You should make fortune cookies. Really enlightening stuff.

We'll just have to wait and see. I'll book any wager that says handle on Saturday in 2008 will increase from 2006's handle on BC day.

As long as they aren't G1 I think there is a distinction and I don't care what they want to call them. I mean there are terrible races throughout the year with Breeders Cup in their name already.

I didn't say it was their fault. Do you want me to say it is so we can argue?

I applied, but they said you were doing an admirable job.;)

No, you're doing fine arguing with yourself. Carry on.

Yeah that makes sense.




Roar.


There I'm outraged.

Anything else?

The way it sounds from this thread, a lot of knowledgeable handicappers will be saving thier hard earned money and not wager on the Breeder's Cup Friday card..........




NOT!

:rolleyes: Just a quick question for everyone to think about. Where is the BC going to get the new purse money? Do they have any NEW sponcers? Seems like they have lost more corporate sponcers over the years then then they have now(Bud, Mobil,etc.). Not just the "Trade" sponcers I mean real money. They do not pay for any travel or expences for the conections, and shipping of horses. With the percentages they get most tracks loose money hoisting the races on even one day, and now two days. And Greg A. can you tell us what track will be host in 2009? Nobody's bidding. TV ratings down, ticket prices up again?

Or on Saturday, due to the artificial surface.

Wagering handle should pretty much be in the toilet in 2008 :rolleyes:

I heard Emirates Air and Al Qaeda were going to flip a coin for sponsorship of the new races.


Don't quote me on that.

Yeah, by the end of the decade.....the B.C. will be cancelled due to poor ratings. :eek:

Are you wearing a diaper?

The Breeders Cup races (day of event and leadup) are funded by annual foal crop and horses of racing age nominations, and annual stallion nominations (fee equal to stallions advertised stud fee, or at least $1000).

I don't think funding is a concern ;)

So if AQ wins the flip you will be billing for your 10% agent fee?

Yes. And then I'll celebrate by beating my wife.

It doesn't matter if they make the races grade ones or not. Anyone with half a brain would be able to know that just because a horse wins a grade one race doesn't necessarily mean he's a true grade one horse. Does anyone believe that Flashy Bull, Jazil, or Colonial Colony are true grade one horses? Anyone that mistakenly believes that the winner of a new 12f BC race is automatically a world champion just because they name the races the World Championships is just an idiot anyway.

Point well taken. You are right. But if funding is not a concern, then why don't they at least supplement travel costs? It would help a little to attract oversees runners(depending on the host track) creating global exposure, and hopefully global sponcers. I know this has been thought of and talked about , but I wish they would strengthen what they have befor the 2 day plan spreds things to thin. IMO

Are you not getting tired of that by now? I know, why don't you try beating yourself? Oh I'm sorry, that question is a little old. You have been beating yourself OFF and on for sometime now.


Domestic Violence "jokes"- Nice Pillow Pants real nice.


Sorry everyone I just wanted to talk about horseracing. OUT

There wouldn't be a need to make the jokes if muslims weren't known for beating their women, you dense jackass.
Masturbation jokes. Awesome.

Belmont and Woodbine run 7f turf sprints