The Pats fans will be way too drunk to remember to quiet down when the Patriots offense is on the field. Windy conditions can change a football game more than any other factor. If the Patriots are going to win in Foxboro in January they will have to do so running the football better than they did yesterday. They are certainly capable of that but are also capable of running even worse when Indy can let the wind aid in defending deep balls to Moss and can focus more on the run and short passing game. And yes, Harrison would certainly be a huge boost for them, they had a lot of costly drops yesterday.

Was this game any good?? Couldn't have been nearly as entertaining as Browns/Seahawks which I advised everyone to watch.

I kinda liked it...it had suspense...intrigue....danger...back and forth stuff...stupid coaching.....ot.




Frankly I don't think either the Colts or the Patties will be in the "super bowl."

Morty, who do you think will win the Afc then. The only other team i could even remotely make a case for are the steelers and frankly, they just are not consistent enough. Losing at home to arizona was ghastly. I just don't think any team can beat the colts in the dome then go beat the pats at foxboro the next week. I would wager a good deal of money that one of them wins the afc.

Well Skipper.....I'm glad you asked that question.



Here's what I do know.The season is half way through.

That leaves another half to go.Then there are the playoffs and records don't matter at that point.

These two teams will be so concerned with each other and all of the awe they are held in that someone else is going to walk off with the AFL crown.






Who..I don't know.

I just don't think so. Both teams sport qb's who are veterans, coaches who have around a while, and players that have tasted success. I think the only team that can beat the colts is the steelers. I think the steelers have a chance to beat the pats but i haven't seen them string a pair of victories together this year that were impressive. Hell, I haven't seen them beat anyone yet. Most of the Afc is mediocre where all but 3 teams in the NFC are. I just don't see how both would lose, unless of course something happens to brady or manning, in which case both teams would crumble.

I highly doubt the Patriots would crumble if Brady went down. They would suffer a bit but still be in the three or four best teams in the league. The Colts might crumble if Manning went down though. Their offense totally relies on his abilities. The Pats offense would work for many QBs (although of course not to the degree of success Brady has had this year).

Then we agree to call each other stupid names.

Half way there.

A little early to crown anyone......I'll bet you my bowl of rice photo neither team gets there.

The Pats would crumble completely. THere was one game where they put Cassell in and they re-inserted Brady because of how ugly it was.

Sam Cassell plays football now? How's he fit the helmet on that head?

Sam does not play football.
You will find him at home
crying on his giant pillow.

If Sam Cassell actually had
a fro, a new ecosystem would
emerge. I am sure all sorts of
animals could take refuge.

What game was that? That may be more a function of the backup QB than anything. You can't put an incompetent in his spot and expect any success but I fully believe there are 40 QBs in the league that could take Brady's spot and at least still be among the better teams in the league.

Not Rex

Actually, he is probably the best argument for what I am saying. He managed to take a less talented Bears team to a 13-3 record and the Super Bowl.

Yeah, Brady has led his team to three Super Bowl wins and is a first ballot hall of famer because any one of 40 guys could come in and do his job as well or nearly as well as he does it.

I said anyone that replaced Brady would not be as good as him. All I was saying is the Patriots would not crumble if they lost him. They'd still be among the three or four best teams in the NFL. Their defense is as good as the Bears defense that led them to a Super Bowl and their offense with Grossman at QB would dwarf the talent on the Bears offense that went to the Super Bowl.

I can't even comment on the 40 Qb thing. If you really think brady is not that important to the team, why do you think they pay him all that money? I hate Brady, but he is accurate and a leader. Very few QB"S in the league like that.

The pats defense is not anywhere near as good as the bears defense.

Actually Brady is vastly underpaid, in fact I think he's an idiot if he doesn't ask for a new contract after this year. It has nothing to do with Brady's talents. It has to do with the Patriots being a good enough team that they could still be successful without Brady. The QB that stepped in for Brady certainly wouldn't be throwing up a 131 QB rating but the Patriots would still be winning football games.

Of course they would win games, but they wouldn't be a super bowl contender. What qb would have brought the pats back at indy last week. Thats where brady makes his money.

'06 Bears allowed 294.1 YPG and 15.9 PPG. '07 Patriots have allowed 275.2 YPG and 16.3 PPG. When you factor in that teams with a big lead often allow meaningless yards and points late in the game the numbers are even more impressive.

Oh, and the offenses the '07 Patriots have played against dwarf the offenses the '06 Bears faced.

Did you ever see that Martian in the Bugs Bunny cartoons?

yep..that's Sam

Brady makes less than Mark Bulger and Alex Smith, he's not making much money. I never claimed that another QB would be able to beat the Colts in Indianapolis. I claimed that they would still be in the top three or four teams in the league which is absolutely true.

Without brady they are number 3 in the AFC at best.

Up 35-7 on Miami. Casell comes in and gives 14pts away. Oh crap we better bring Brady back in to stop that.

He threw two passes and one was intercepted for a TD. So he gave away one TD. If he is in the top 40 QBs in the NFL then that is not going to happen every possession.

Actually if they had a running game, it should never be a problem. But they truely don't have a running game.

We'll see Lamont Jordan there next year to split with Maroney. Like thats going to help.

I haven't seen the play but based on this it seems almost certain it was a zone blitz:

3rd and 8 at NE 32 (10:40) (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short middle intended for W.Welker INTERCEPTED by J.Taylor at NE 36. J.Taylor for 36 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Inexperienced QBs make that mistake all the time, most of the time though the DE dropping into coverage isn't as athletic as Jason Taylor. You can't base your entire assessment of Cassell on that one mistake.

brady is putting up some obscene numbers.
as to the mental exercise of where the pats would be without him, who the hell knows? but to say they'd be close to the same without....um, yeah.

thing is, he's the leader of the offense, and they are playing lights out. he is doing a great job, as is the rest of the team. they're in perfect sync.

brady, four ints all year. and how many td passes? on track to blow away peytons passes for tds in a season.

Everyone said the same thing about Joe Montana, then he went down and Steve Young stepped in. Then they said the same thing about Steve Young and then he went down and Steve Bono and Elvis Grbac stepped in. The system can make a QB and in this case the NE offense is good enough to make anyone look good and Brady look otherworldly. Here are the yards per attempt and QB ratings for those San Fran guys:

Steve Young with SF - 8.2 - 101.4
Steve Young w/o SF - 6.4 - 63.1
Joe Montana with SF - 7.6 - 93.5
Joe Montana w/o SF - 6.9 - 85.6
Steve Bono with SF - 7.1 - 87.7
Steve Bono w/o SF - 5.9 - 71.9
Elvis Grbac with SF - 7.2 - 85.6
Elvis Grbac w/o SF - 6.8 - 78.3

all i know is i think it's a waste to say what would a team be like if...

he's on the team, he's part of it. whether he's important or not, who knows? could he do the same without moss? maybe. a car will run on seven cylinders too.

btw, elvis who?! just kidding...i remember mr grbac.

but regardless of what those other guys did, i don't remember any of them being mentioned as the best ever. but plenty say montana may have been.

That's cause he went to Notre Dame and lucked into having the best receiver of all time. Very good QB who was excellent in the clutch? Sure. Best ever? No way, I'd take Elway over him in a heartbeat and a few others in a couple heartbeats.