Here are your statements, all from this thread


1. "I don't care who debuts where and does what to who, as long as this horse is in training there won't be a two year old who will touch him." (ridiculous) :eek:

2."never even broke a sweat or took a deep breath." (I guess you were riding him, LOL) :eek:

3. "The horse is great now (really, I guess those cheap horses and fillies that ran the same time yesterday on the same track are great too." LOL) :eek:

4. "I havent seen a two year old like this horse in over ten years. Its about time!!! "(In ten years. I guess you haven't watched many 2yo olds) :eek:


As for your personal attacks, stop lying. Some of your attacks got threads removed. You attacked Cunningham Racing on numerous threads. Completely uncalled for. Now you think you can attack me because my wife knows a thing or two. Please.

Im nuts too. It was the best performance ive seen by a 2yr old this time of the year I have seen in a very long time.For anyone to make the claim that 2yr old means nothing now, is very disrespectful of the game. They have to start somewhere. This field he beat was very strong looking with a lot of classy colts, some which may catch up with more seasoning ,maturity,and stretching out. We all like to be first to jump on the bandwagon and Ora called it.When some of flags monsters start beating him then say I told you so. This colt has accomplished a graded stakes win and all are making a mistke if you feel he is a fluke.

Neither one of you is nuts, but Oracle holds people accountable for crazy statements and I am just doing the same here. He could be the next Secretariat but tough to be so high on a horse that has run two pretty average times.

For those that care, Circular Quay earned a Beyer Figure of 83 for yesterday's race.

A Blistering 83? That probably leads Pletcher's JV team in KY.

Guys like Tabor flew in to watch this race yesterday, it may be insignificant, but the guy has top quality horses all over, I found it interesting he flew in to see the race in person....

Dude, let it go.. others like the horse, let them(us) be. Why so defensive? Can't they think he could be good?

They can think anything they want. The facts though are that he ran an identical time on the same track at the same distance on the same day to 2yr old maiden fillies and $10,000 claimers. Lets just hope there are better two year olds out there.

I will give you a decision in round 1 but I still say this horse will get knocked out in round 2 or 3 when he has to race against the NY horses.

Wow. Times, times, times. Beyers, Beyers, Beyers.

It must take you like five minutes to handicap an entire card, since that seems to be all you look at.

How many times can you make the same argument? This is beyond beating a dead horse, this is like beating a stable full of dead horses, and their grooms, plus the goat that hangs out there.

Oracle very wrong here.

Not Hoist's "Daddy' Money."

Get it right!!!

It's Hoist's "Wife's Daddy's Money." (just kidding)

Soaring By, as reported earlier by this expert, is a strong bet-against from a inside post vs better on a tighter track next time out. Horses that debut with Beyer figs like his are always, always, always poor bets second out. Write it down, put it on tape, tell your mothers.

Tabor flew in because he is attending the July 2 year olds in training sale at Keeneland.

there is no 2 yo sale at Kee in july, it is held in april during the meet. There is a yearling sale @ fasig tipton in lexington, but not till later in the month.

Yeah the fasig tipton. Thanks for correcting me. But Tabor is currently in Lexington.

This is the one he is attending

July 17-18th

July Selected Yearlings, Fasig-Tipton Kentucky, Inc., Lexington, Kentucky

Sale starts at 10:00am each morning

There is no July two year old in training sale and the yearling sale doesnt start for quite a while. I would guess he flew in because he felt like watching two of his two year olds who were favored in stakes races. I'm sure Quay gave him a hell of a lot of satisifaction. Tabor owned and raced the sire and the dam and this was a "free horse" that he bred. He did him proud.

Tabor is attending the Fasig Tipton--Thanks for all those who caught my error. But I am sure he flew in to see the race, but more importantly, to go to the sales this weekend.

Thunder Gulch has two offspring in the sales.

Hip numbers 462 and 471.

someone correct me if I'm wrong but he (tabor) doesn't usually buy much-- if anything--@ that sale...waits for saratoga and keeneland.
Many of those yearlings go to pinhookers.

I think you are correct. But whatever the reason, he is in Lexington. I can only assume it is for the sales and a litte horse race watching that he took in over the weekend.

LOL!!!! The reality is due to his trainer/vet he's just as likely to either drop dead or never run again! Half Ours anyone?

Probably right. Guys like Tabor and the Sheikhs rarely fly in just for a race like that. Maybe he just flew in because he wanted to watch the race because he could.

That's ridicuous.

You run 1100 horses a year, win 300 or so races including 40-50 stakes races... guess what ... one or more are not going to come back to run well again!!

Really, now...

And what number would be normal for ''mysterious'' deaths in this operation?

Well, I'd say... 1.

Well there you go, I rest my case. ;)

So, three in a matter of days, all occuring to horses that just ran explosive races, would be troublesome?

I was just told Tabor's wife bred Circular Quay. I didn't realize she was a breeder. I would think you will see them at all of his races. He is a february foal, which explains a bit.

There must be beneficial tax consequences:D .

yes it would.

is the Quay part pronounced:

Kay or
Key?

Everywhere I have seen the word Quay used, it was always properly pronounced as key.

Kway, I vote.

When did this happen?

Wasn't this about 3 or 4 years ago? Left Bank and one of his Stakes Fillies passed away from Colic, within a couple of days of each other.

You got it.

Read in the paper today it's pronounced Circular KEY. Kway does sound cooler though.

Thats what I thought Joey....thanks.

He is named after the the Circular Quay in Sydney Australia. It is definitely Circular "Key".

Left Bank was put down due to laminitis, Warners died from colic, and Freedom's Daughter died from colitis x. Not sure if the conspiracy theorists need to look into these deaths as "mysterious" since all had great value, Warners as a racehorse, Left Bank as a stallion, Freedom's Daughter as a broodmare. But since its Pletcher its "mysterious". How come no mention of Swale? maybe b/c he was trained by Woody. The guy is a good trainer, he's sharp, and flat out better than most; he also uses hyperbaric chambers (which help horses recover faster) lubrisyn, muscle adjustments, etc that old school trainers don't want to use.
Now Michael Gill's horse that they cut of the leg and took away from the track, that's mysterious.

All three died very shortly after delivering career defying performances. I also am skeptical that Left Bank died from laminitis and would love to see a news story backing that up.

Nobody is accusing anybody of anything. It's just a tragic coincidence. The performance of Freedom's Daughter in the Adirondack was really something to behold...especially in light of her previous mediocre efforts. Sad, really sad, to see a horse so clearly on the brink of greatness die so young. Warners too. After his exciting debut he really disappointed in subsequent efforts before delivering his pp defying performance ( some may remember the HUGE wager that dropped his odds as the gate popped on that Saturday at Saratoga ). And, worst of all, Left Bank, the sprinter who rated behind a loose speed in the Whitney, and still drew off to defeat Street Cry ( fresh off his drubbing of Congaree in the Steven Foster where he earned a 122 Beyer fig ) and Lido Palace. He was always one of my favorites. In fact, I had needed him for a score in his previous two turn effort, over two years earlier, when he got drowned by a Mitch Friedman horse ( Oracle help me out here ) at Gulfstream.

A sad coincidence.

6 Native Dancers, 3 Raise A Natives...he may have a great career but the breeding odds are stacked against him staying sound.

This breeding may result in some racing success but it doesn nothing to enhance the breed, imo.