im done with this ..i hope tuefelsburg keeps winning..hes got a whole stable too feed......good luck to her..

Maybe with all that money that Tueflesberg has earned Ms. Sanders can get her fiancee some new toofesus

i was thinking more a new dye job... & a straightener.

That's the best you can do?

Let's review your DerbyTrail resume...

1 ) With your first post you tried to coerce members here into buying into a horse partnership ( without obtaining the permission of the proprietor of this board ).

2 ) Your second foray involved exposing a personal agenda against a respected member of this industry.

3 ) Your third involved unsubstantiatable slanders against Hall of Fame trainers


Next thing will probably be claiming to be both a horse owner, breeder, and Wall Street executive.

Dammit, you guys are driving me nuts. It's TEUFLESBERG. :p

Yeesh.

I am not looking to instigate anything -- seriously, I am not. However, Andy's comments . . . LMAO!!!

Eric

:D

i took to just calling him "T" a few months ago when people kept asking me "can you repeat that???"

I think Jamie Sanders and Calvin Borel should go off together and make babies. Raise all of them in Arkansas. A proverbial Night of the Living Dead would go into double digit sequels no doubt.

You resume or job title adds no validity to your opinion and claims. Believe me, your opinions and claims stand on their own . . . very much on their own, LOL.

Eric

You must be kidding, right?

You came here with such an obvious, personal agenda -- and if not, then you must have come here to say "Look at me" or something like that.

Eric

9k for a Johannesburg out of a decent mare is very cheap indeed. There had to be SOMETHING wrong with him although I can't see what it is. I've never seen him in person, so I can't way whether or not he's crooked. Crooked or not, he seems to be sound. If he wasn't, I doubt he would have handled the number of starts he's had thus yet. He's a gorgeous horse... great looking stride on him. I'd sure love to have him in my barn! (Still think Jamie lucked out with him... it happens sometimes.)

I'd love to have a barn full of them, no question. I give credit to her for picking out a horse like that, snagging him for $9k, bringing him along, etc. However, that is a far stretch from being a "great trainer" and all of the other claims that came along with this. I don't have anything against Jamie Sanders. She's a new, on her own trainer, and I wish her all the best.

However, she is still a 2% trainer, and that more speaks to her current "abilities" and her results than the results of this colt. Let's look at how many others she selected, bought, etc. Let's look at how the rest of those have done. Now, no offense, however, I don't think we have to look too far -- she's won two races all year long.

You have to look at this in the big picture.

Eric

Ok, this is probably a stupid thought, but does anyone else think that Devil's Bag as T-berger's broodmare sire might have something to do with how sound he has stayed? Devil's Bag is the sire of Devil His Due who ran all but one start drug free. From what I understand, Devil His Due was a pretty sound horse as well. I just wonder if that may have something to do with it. :confused:

I don't know... Devil's Bag was the first racehorse I ever loved... still have the '84 Flamingo program, only race he ever lost. But he pretty much sucked as a sire, outside of Devil His Due and Twilight Agenda.

His last crop hits the track this year. :(

abaginone was decent.
taiki shuttle was hoy in japan i believe.
devils orchid was a monster sprinter filly awhile back!
region was a pretty nice horse.

quebrada was an interesting mare. she was a german raced mare who in 12 starts had 7 wins, 2 2nds and 2 3rds. she was out of the tough as nails mare queen to conquer, who i believe either beat or nearly beat john henry once.

while you could say he was a disappointment at stud, i dont know if he really sucked like you say. me, i think forestry sucks!

i see that Spectacular Bid is on the broodmare side as well. he always did his best work on the mare side of the pedigrees it seems.

There's a Devil's Bag filly in the upcoming sale in Ocala. Her page is below:

http://obssales.com/juncatalog/2007/494.PDF

I'm probably going to head up to Ocala to check them out under tack on Sunday.

a good article here
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/04/sp...rssnyt&emc=rss

Ocala Jun 2YO in training sale? 99% she can't run.

I'll never forget the buzz about the 'Bag, and reading Steve Crist's articles chronicling his journey towards the Derby.

Yeah, maybe not. I think Buzzard's Bay was a June OBS grad, though if I recall. So you never know... Haven't seen them yet, but it'll give me something to do this weekend anyway. :cool:

Surely, sounds like a cool trip. I've never been to Ocala for a 2YO sale...

I go all of the time... wish I had the $$ to get one. LOL :D

It's cool to see some of the nicer ones go through the ring. Over the past couple of years I've seen quite a few future stakes winners and it's cool to have seen them as yearlings and two year olds.

There’s a gray Silver Charm colt in there that I want to see (hip #123)… his dam is a half sister to The Tin Man’s dam AND she was tested for a large heart and was one of ten mares measured in last 20 years by Dr. Fregin to have a heart that large.

I loved Silver Charm, so if this one looks anything like his Pops, it'll be the worth the hour drive. :o

I loved Silver Charm as well, I'm planning on going to the Hall of Fame induction this year for him. :)

I'm a sucker for horses with mediocre pedigrees who run their eyeballs out!

Isn't it ironic that the horse I have as my avatar right now was the one that broke all our hearts in the Belmont.

I can't believe I just waded through this thread.

Here's my 2 cents: Even if you believe Sanders' training performance of Teufelsberg is "great," that doesn't make her a great trainer.

You are correct sir!
To avoid further slip-ups
I am now calling this horse "devils mountain"