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Not to change the subject...but I mention that Sumwons 2nd Sunday was my K-Derby????

Love the debate here...more civil than "outright" attacks on the horse and it's connections.

Carry on...

I can definitely see why people are all over Street Sense and I wouldn't have to try very hard to make a case for him myself.

It is my feeling that he isn't a standout at this point.

If he is on Saturday, I was very wrong.

I felt the same way about SNS last year, didn't include him on any bets.

But I also bet a bunch on Lawyer Ron to win, and that didn't turn out too well.

The odds say the same thing will happen this year with CQ, but I'm still backing him. He is the one I have landed on and I'm sticking with it.

If 'Sense has a clean trip... the horse that finishes fourth will have been beaten roughly a sixteenth of a mile! BBB

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

First off it was the Bluegrass, I'm anal I know but at least get the name of the race right that we are talking about. But I don't get your point. Are you discounting Street Sense because he only beat Great Hunter by 2 1/2 this time and not 12? What about the Breeders Futurity last October that Great Hunter won? You must have had a field day after that race. I assume you didn't have him in the Juvenile though, as he lost in the race before.

You seem to think that these are machines and they run the exact same everytime. Sorry, doesn't work that way.What facts are you looking at that I am not? My take on the poly races is they are very difficult to gauge. How much a horse is defeated on them isn't as important to me as how a horse ran. Evidence of this was the Breeders Futurity last year at Keeneland. I understand horses improve, but who has improved in your eyes, because I don't see it. What exactly am I looking for on the oddsboard? A clue? I am really having a hard time figuring out you and your buddies point. Maybe it's me, but what exactly is your point? That Street Sense is beatable? No sh*t.

I guess my point DaHoss...is and for probably for the 7th - 8th time...I'm not discounting Street Sense one bit. You are simply saying that CQ can't get the distance and that I should also discount CQ because he lost by 10 lengths to Street Sense and of course this awful 8 week layoff. This is gambling and I'm telling you that I'm ignoring the eight week layoff. I'm also telling you that he will be better than he was in the Juvenille.(A race by the way..he had a tough trip. Where he was "steadied" and "was pinched back at the start". He had a powerful close in the HOPEFUL....Had to avoid a fallen horse in the RISEN STAR and still somehow finished 5th....Looked very professional in the LOUISIANA DERBY. I'll bet my horses and you will bet your horses....that's why it's called Pari-Mutual betting. Therefore...I think he will run well in the KENTUCKY DERBY. Good Luck.

No fight here man. Just stating a case for CQ. You've been the one getting all jumpy. And talking down? I don't really feel I need to talk down to anyone. Sorry if you feel that way. I'll listen to anyone...but please remember how this whole situation started, which I must say...You eventually decided to enter into....My original post which was to my good friend Estreetposse was... I'm going to make sure I have an Exacta Box with Street Sense and CQ. After that, some posts were coming like crazy about CQ. Obviously I lost track of who said what. Look at my past posts I don't get in these pissing matches very often. In fact I've stayed right out of the Derby Debate. Enough Said.

Does anyone remember what Carl Nafzger was doing on May 5th say 17 yrs ago?

May 5th's past winners

2001 Monarchos
1990 Unbridled
1979 Spectacular Bid
1973 Secretatriat

just a little trivia

I just had a 90 minute argument with a buddy of mine over Street Sense/Circular Quay.

I think it is going around...like the flu.

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Does anyone remember what Carl Nafzger was doing on May 5th say 17 yrs ago?

May 5th's past winners

2001 Monarchos
1990 Unbridled
1979 Spectacular Bid
1973 Secretatriat

just a little trivia

Kissing some old lady and hopefully not frenching a 10 yr old kid?

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Originally Posted by estreetposse

Kissing some old lady and hopefully not frenching a 10 yr old kid?

ha

man

ohhhhhh

k

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

It might be a total toss to you, but not to me. He was even with all others and driving and didn't separate himself or win.

Dominican outran him...

SS had 8 more lbs in a 300 yard dash after running a mile

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Originally Posted by clydewine

SS had 8 more lbs in a 300 yard dash after running a mile

I don't understand what you are saying here?

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Originally Posted by moodwalker

I don't understand what you are saying here?

Not sure either because everyone carried 123 lbs.

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Originally Posted by whodey17

Not sure either because everyone carried 123 lbs.

exactly

Just wanted to bring this gem of a thread to the top to show my senseless reasoning.

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Thats what I figured Whodey, 7 starts and never off the board. He hangs on the wrong lead and hes still getting it done. Better hope he doesnt switch over this Saturday if you are throwing him off the ticket

This is worth bringing up... couldn't help it, guys!

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

This is worth bringing up... couldn't help it, guys!

SS did lug in and he switched back to his left lead near the wire. But I think he switched because Borel was celebrating.