I seriously wish the horse and you guys the best, but might a 50k claimer still be too ambitious? Prove me wrong, but if you guys run her in a 50 k claimer race, and she finishes up the track, take DisappearingdanAKAPlaya's advice, and drop her big...

But as I said, I wish y'all and your horse the best...

Thanks for going!

They want to run her in a spot where she doesn't get claimed... running her in a 15k claimer most likely would allow that to happen. This filly is sound as a dollar... it would be a shame to have a sound filly like her get claimed. Her next start will be better. She probably needed the race.

Does anyone have pics to post of SWLY from yesterday...padock shots, warmup, at the gate???

you coulda had her for 10-15 before and nobody claimed her

excerpt from the race recap from the DRF result chart in case anyone didn't see it

"SUMWONLOVESYOU followed the pace in a striking position for six furlongs and tired"

i'm sure she'll pick up some fitness from the effort that will enhance her next performance.

having a sound horse is great, but usually after running a while a horse that doesnt have some type of issue even a small one probaly isnt running hard enough

Actually, at the time they were looking at her, they could have claimed her for 20k, but it's risky to claim... by spending a few grand more, they knew what they were getting. Kinda like the difference between buying a car at an auto auction and taking the chance that the car had been wrecked or by buying it with a dealer guarantee from the dealer.

Hmmm... I don't agree. What about a horse like Devil His Due? Not running hard enough for you?

Thanks for the advice. No charge right?

were you around that horse everyday jamie taking care of it? how do you know if the horse didnt have issues even be it small ones, with a ankle, hocks, stifels, back, shoulder, etc etc etc?

I was

and that horse never had a single issue come up, maintenance never had to be done on the horse? obviously chuck you train and your knowledge far exceeds mine and basically anybody elses here when it comes to horse care but im interested how many horses have you trained that ran hard and actually made a profit for their owners on the track that didnt have some type of issue?

Honestly I think she runs in the other division of the race and we have a very different outcome. No 22.64 opening quarter and no ground loss cause she would have been on the lead. Not saying she would have won the other division but she sure would have had a heck of a lot better chance.

i thought nola ran a real nice race. i was there the day she romped at arlington and it was interesting to see mcpeek at arlington midweek saddling a horse

Of course a horse is going to have small issues...

But to say that a horse that happens to be SOUND isn't running hard enough is a bit far fetched. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of lower level claimers probably have more than just minor issues. To run Sumwon in a 15k claimer would almost guarantee that she'd be claimed. She is a nice horse, John and I think she needed the race yesterday and will come back strong next time around. I think that Chuck knows what he's doing...

Of course every horse has an issue of some sort just as every athlete that competes in any sport has aches and pains. And the good horses have the same problems as the lesser horses. But what the issues are and how the trainer and horse deal with them varies greatly. Sumwonlovesyou is not without her little issues but they are far from major and she would be considered a sound horse. The one thing I learned a long time ago was that if you are going to have any success in most things in life you cant panic at the first sign of trouble. I have had horses run far worse then we did yesterday that came back and ran just fine. We know that she can compete at the 20 level on the dirt and poly. What we want to find out is what else she can do. We can always drop her in class or shorten her up.

Deil his Due was a freakin iron horse

not disputing chuck knows what hes doing, i think the filly and everyone who owns a piece of her is lucky to have him in their corner. class of a horse doesnt matter though as far as physical issues. there are many horses that do not run on the bottom and run in higher claimers, allowances whatever that are basically cripples! some horses are dropped to the bottom when theyre hurting so they dont have to try as hard but some of your soundest horses run on the bottom for the simple reason...........they unfortunately dont run a jump LOL!


shes a gorgeous filly jamie and i like her and enjoyed the camera time she got yesterday on the tv from the keeneland feed and was rooting my a$$ off for her. i agree with you she will be sharper next time out. again i dont think any1 would claim her for 15k unless if she runs for that next out and wins and runs back in that spot, but lemme ask you jamie do you think somebody would drop on her for 25-30k right now?

Totally agree with you, It was the first time she ran under Chuck's
care. Now he knows a lot more about her, so i think we will see a vast improvement next time.

She is a big good looking filly out of a graded stakes winning mare. It is April. She would be 1-5 to be claimed for 15 by a breeder looking to fill out his stallions book. I have claimed a fillies for people that looked a whole lot worse than her that weren't bred as well as she is for 30k at this time of the year.

nice post and i agree with what you say, if you start panicking and constantly second guessing it'll affect your performance. you took a shot a legitimate one yesterday and theres nothing wrong with that at all.........you dont know till you try. some people tho in this game as you know just get way too greedy!


a funny story in a way but not so funny for the horse. we gotta filly from some owners who we had to take to GLD just to break the horses N2L for a nickel. we had to twist their arm just to run her there to get them some money since she wasnt much. well she had no turf pedigree whatsoever but the owners insisted she did and the grass would move her up greatly so she was entered in a 25,000 n3l on the grass this fall here and she was eased and literally beaten 45+ lengths. we wanted to take her back up to gld to win her non 3 for a nickel insteada running in that spot, win it and find her a home to try and save the owners some money. well after the turf disaster we got her back up to gld for the non 3 and she finished 5th@4-5 and the owners got zilch insteada getting close to 4k which woulda payed 3 months of barn fee's for them

agree, the other race ended up to be much softer. the opening fractions in the Sumwon race were swift.

Dont forget that the other race was run right after the rain storm

Nice story, thanks for sharing it. But for every story you can tell about something like what you described, I can tell you two more about just the opposite happening. And put all together, they are stories that don't amount to a hill of beans about the placement of a horse. Some things work, other don't. You move on and try something else.

I don't have much patience for Monday Morning Quarterbacks or second guessers after the fact so I'll refrain from going down a road I shouldn't with you.....:D

I knew it rained, but no clue how much. It certainly could easily explain the difference in times.

it surely slowed down the turf but how much is impossible to determine. 4 seconds does seem like a lot

Sumwon's race finished in 30.60. The 7th finished in 30.81. Tough to imagine the track slowed down too much considering that. I think it was mainly the slow early pace that accounted for the 4 second difference, maybe a second or so came from the weather.

Steve! Tell your Steelers story <g>

interesting. Thanks

nice story by you, thanks for sharing it!for every 2 you describe that do work i can tell you 20 that dont. LMFAO go down any road you choose with me. ive been a active owner for over the past 2 years straight, and was a owner of a horse a few years prior to. being in my late 20's id say owning 3 horses already isnt too bad considering its my own hard earned money that i invested.


i have no clue who you are so im interested in hearing some of your background in the game. by the way search through previous threads about the filly and read my initial thoughts when they purchased her before she ever set foot on the racetrack for the dee-tee partnership and maybe youll see im not playing"monday morning qb" as you say

Send me a PM - I don't need to bore everyone with my personal history....:)

You've made your point Playa. Over and over again.

I'll take Chuck's training experience over your "2 years straight" of ownership any time.

I've been an Owner for more than "2 years straight" and I know enough to trust Chuck and Steve to do what is right by the horse.

Well on top of that, I can't speak for the logic of the placement -- but were there lots of people around here who were playing her straight on top of their wagers yesterday? It's not like every person who capped the race didn't say that she was in over her head.

It was a surface switch, new trainer, new owners and it sounded like she had been training well -- so what's so effing wrong with what most people call "taking a shot," to see where she stands?

For those who missed it the first time around.

The funny thing is there is no bickering among the owners. All the bickering is with non-owners who never got the concept in the first place that we want a horse to race so we can enjoy owning a horse and couldn't give a damn if we made a penny off it.

Well, don't generalize too much. It seems that the non-owners are the only ones who are disparaging the placement and criticizing anything.

But there are plenty of non-owners who completely understand what you're doing and are only bickering to try to get the other people to shut up and stop worrying so much about the fact that she ran last in a KEE ALW race.

I, for one, completely understand what you're doing and would be doing it too if I had the money when they needed it. I'm loving watching this go on -- so just don't lump all the non-owners into the group that are criticizing.

Please :D

Exactly, Sniper!!!! Thanks for that!!

Yesterday was great because I have a horse racing again. I put my money in because I can afford to lose it - but I couldn't afford not to miss the excitement generated by owning this horse.

I'm a happy camper today! And I think I might be even happier in two weeks since I'll be at Churchill on Sunday the 29th!!!! I'm already looking forward to her next race....

i was only stating that becuz the guy made it seem like i had no frame of reference and didnt have a clue about the game at all, people on here that have known me for 5+ years know my abilities and know im not just some raving lunatic but you know what FU*K it, im not gonna even bother anymore giving my opinion anymore or trying to help cuz no matter what i say im wrong in some peoples minds LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just wasted energy and i got my own that i own to worry about and others that i take care of also to put my energy towards insteada taking crap over this.


again i think every1 involved with the horse including the horse herself is in good hands with chuck but BIGSMC just cuz youve been around longer than someone on the racetrack doesnt mean you know more than them or are doing better. go down the backstretch and see how many trainers in their 50's and 60's aint gotta dime to their name, how many of em are still gyp's, see how many are under 10% for their careers and still cant get it right after all the years theyve been around etc etc etc, i see plenty everyday on the backside!


im not gonna comment about the horse anymore from here on out other than GOOD LUCK AND CONGRATULATIONS!

i apologize for anyone i upset

who was really trying to bicker? becuz somebody states a opinion doesnt necessarily mean theyre criticizing. dont worry youre a saint in everyones eyes