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Bigsmc 04-03-2007 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JJP
And just how many winners has Sheikh Hamburger won? I wish Jara would've told him to go f-k himself.

Easy for you to say. It's his living, burning bridges with owners will send a jock to Po-dunk Downs in a hurry.

There have been many times when I would have liked to tell my boss those very words, then thoughts of feeding my family and paying the mortgage help me keep my mouth shut...or at the very least, temper those words into something more civil.

SentToStud 04-03-2007 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Past Post
Ok,heres my take on this topic.I had many run inns with jockeys,including hitting one with his own whip.But,in this case the jock knows this horse well and has made no mistakes up to this point riding him.So,whats the beef.All of sudden this towel head is going to tell jocks how ride horses.The closest thing his ass has come to sitting on a race horse is when he seats on his 200,000.00 gold plated tolet seat in the morning.I think because they have so much money they think their word is always correct.Try winning a Kentucky Derby instead telling a kid how to ride a winning horse in a big race.When you come back to the USA Mr.Towel head,stop by Wal-Mart and I will put 50 cents in the Merry go round outside the door,and you can show me and others how to ride a horse.:D

Comment and question.

First, in Arabic, it's called a keffiyeh. The garment is more germane to the region than just to Arab culture. The British military wore them in WW2 and WW1 in their North African campaigns. Lawrence of Arabia (T. E. Lawrence), anyone? Hell, Moses wore one.

And please, can you tell me the names of three horses Jara has won Grade I races on? Take your time.

All this love for Jara as a very good rider makes me laugh. He's been at Gulfstream every day of the meet save two, DWC day and the day he rode at El Commandante.

Yet, the last time I looked, he's way behind riding stalwarts such as Manny Cruz, Rajiv Maragh and, yes, Elvis Trujillo. These three guys can get you home on the best horse as can Jara. But he's certainly done nothing to make me think he's any better than any of them.

At this point, he may well be the luckiest rider in history to have the mount on Invasor.

JJP 04-03-2007 08:45 AM

Whether Jara is the luckiest rider or not isn't the point. He won the race and the criticism was not only unnecessary, it was classless. I'm sure this idiot would've thought Pat Day was the worst rider in the world because he'd save something and not win by unnecessarily large margins.

Can somebody imagine hearing the owner of a Super Bowl or World Series winning team interviewed after the game and the owner throwing a tantrum?

pointman 04-03-2007 08:46 AM

Good point Sent to Stud, I know he is only 19, but I have seen Jara put in some bad rides on the NY Circuit. Even Rudy Rodriguez can bring in a superior horse. I believe Jara is overrated as a rider at this point of his career. That being said, I found nothing wrong with him looking back. As others have pointed out, had he not done that and someone passed him everyone would be shooting him down for the ride. Also, there are times when the horse themself doesn't see another horse coming and the jock has to show the horse that the race is not over. I have no problem with a jock assessing his competition and certainly no problem with a jock gearing a horse down when there is no need to go all out.

SentToStud 04-03-2007 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JJP
Whether Jara is the luckiest rider or not isn't the point. He won the race and the criticism was not only unnecessary, it was classless. I'm sure this idiot would've thought Pat Day was the worst rider in the world because he'd save something and not win by unnecessarily large margins.

Can somebody imagine hearing the owner of a Super Bowl or World Series winning team interviewed after the game and the owner throwing a tantrum?

Well, he won the Donn on the horse as well where he apparently was channeling a Pat Day ride on a $20k turf claimer and came within inches of perhaps ruining a $50 Million horse. And for his ride there, he probably deserved to lose the mount then.

Hamdan may be many things, but he's certainly no idiot.

I can think of at least three riders worse than Pat Day.

Linny 04-03-2007 10:08 AM

Angara
Jazil
Invasor

How many G1 races have you won?

SentToStud 04-03-2007 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny
Angara
Jazil
Invasor

How many G1 races have you won?

Good catch. I forgot Angara. Any idea why Jara's riding 4th call for Mott at Gulf?

Dunbar 04-03-2007 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Jerry, stop instigating.

Now Cajun, if you keep quoting Seattle, my "block" isn't going to be as effective!

--Dunbar

Dunbar 04-03-2007 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Invasor probably doesn't get run down by anyone if he's ridden right. But if he moves way too soon and there is some monster behind him, anything is possible.

Right. Cigar got run down by Dare & Go because Bailey was so worried about the speed horse (Siphon?) getting away from him. That's how one long winning streak ended.

--Dunbar

Cajungator26 04-03-2007 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar
Now Cajun, if you keep quoting Seattle, my "block" isn't going to be as effective!

--Dunbar

Sorry, Dunbar. Twon't happen again. :o

Dunbar 04-03-2007 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Sorry, Dunbar. Twon't happen again. :o

Thanks, Cajun. Now I feel safe again. ;>)

--Dunbar

alysheba4 04-03-2007 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
That is incredible. That Sheikh is completely clueless. He has no understanding of horseracing whatsoever. Jara rode the horse perfectly. You never want to move too early and you don't want to ask a horse if you don't have to. In addition, when there is a horse in front of you that you think you can go by at any time, you want to look back and see if anyone else is coming.

The Sheikh Hamdan is so off-base it is incredible. I don't think you would have ever heard Sheikh Muhammad say something like that. I think Sheikh Muhammad has a little better understanding of racing than that.

......... nail on the head.

ALostTexan 04-03-2007 12:02 PM

This thread is just amazing. Before anyone else posts, though, let me grab another bag of popcorn...

ALostTexan

rontheman1964 04-03-2007 10:19 PM

I just watched a replay of th 1973 Belmont. Damn that Turcotte for stealing a peek back on the turn and coasting to the line. He coulda won by 50 lengths if he woulda gone to the whip....:D "Just win, baby."

Kasept 04-04-2007 04:47 AM

It appears that an element of Hamdan's comments may have been motivated by Shadwell Euro 'house' rider Richard Hills, whom you'll note was on board Invasor for his lone career defeat. Those close to the situation believe Hills is likely to be campaigning in advance for the mount on the defending HOY in this fall's BC Classic, and has been badrapping Jara to Hamdan.

Sightseek 04-04-2007 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
It appears that an element of Hamdan's comments may have been motivated by Shadwell Euro 'house' rider Richard Hills, whom you'll note was on board Invasor for his lone career defeat. Those close to the situation believe Hills is likely to be campaigning in advance for the mount on the defending HOY in this fall's BC Classic, and has been badrapping Jara to Hamdan.

What a jerk -
I hope Jara takes this constructively and really puts his mind to his riding and proves HE is the one who belongs on Invasor.

Cajungator26 04-04-2007 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
It appears that an element of Hamdan's comments may have been motivated by Shadwell Euro 'house' rider Richard Hills, whom you'll note was on board Invasor for his lone career defeat. Those close to the situation believe Hills is likely to be campaigning in advance for the mount on the defending HOY in this fall's BC Classic, and has been badrapping Jara to Hamdan.

Perhaps Hills should shut his mouth and concentrate on his riding. If he had been doing that, perhaps he wouldn't have gotten himself into the predicament of losing his ride on Invasor. Jealousy... what an awful thing.

Kasept 04-04-2007 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
What a jerk -
I hope Jara takes this constructively and really puts his mind to his riding and proves HE is the one who belongs on Invasor.

I think the 7 straight wins is doing the most talking..

Linny 04-04-2007 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
It appears that an element of Hamdan's comments may have been motivated by Shadwell Euro 'house' rider Richard Hills, whom you'll note was on board Invasor for his lone career defeat. Those close to the situation believe Hills is likely to be campaigning in advance for the mount on the defending HOY in this fall's BC Classic, and has been badrapping Jara to Hamdan.

I heard that Hill took a wrath of #^%@ from Hamdan for his losing ride last year. That blame never went public. Funny, they were hushed about Hills, who lost but public about Jara, who won!

johnny pinwheel 04-04-2007 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny
Not sure about Hamdan but I think Sheikh Mo went to Oxford, not exactly known for turning out grads unfamiliar with English.

if you have the bucks, you can go anywhere for college. even if you can't speak proper english. look at the president, for crying out loud, they let him in yale! whats even worse he brags about being a "c" student. Some rich people should just just own things, real estate , horses, companies and investments. many times when they try to manage them for themselves, well , just look at the world today and you can see the results. when the shiek weighs 110 pounds can ride a horse at 40 mph and not fall off. then he should be giving professional jockeys advice. like i stated before that horse is great because of talent and training. he should enjoy the winning and go the the winners circle, otherwise throw on some silks and mount up ,you ungrateful bag of hot air.

Sightseek 04-04-2007 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
I think the 7 straight wins is doing the most talking..

Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was finding fault in Jara, but that I'd work as hard as possible to be perfect everytime I got on one of the sheik's horses...that's a lot of pressure knowing someone is whispering in the sheiks ear for your job...You would think the 7 wins would have kept Hamdan from making the public comments in the first place. I would have been happy beyond belief that Invasor won.

ArlJim78 04-04-2007 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
It appears that an element of Hamdan's comments may have been motivated by Shadwell Euro 'house' rider Richard Hills, whom you'll note was on board Invasor for his lone career defeat. Those close to the situation believe Hills is likely to be campaigning in advance for the mount on the defending HOY in this fall's BC Classic, and has been badrapping Jara to Hamdan.

Without knowing this information I had the same idea. I figured that there must me some top rider(s) that are chirping in his ear about how he needs to take the mount away from Jara, critiquing everything and pointing out the flaws.

i think it would be a bad move, to make a change. No sense tinkering with something working that well.

brockguy 04-04-2007 12:09 PM

as i said before in this thread. R Hills is an awful jockey..

Left Bank 04-04-2007 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
It appears that an element of Hamdan's comments may have been motivated by Shadwell Euro 'house' rider Richard Hills, whom you'll note was on board Invasor for his lone career defeat. Those close to the situation believe Hills is likely to be campaigning in advance for the mount on the defending HOY in this fall's BC Classic, and has been badrapping Jara to Hamdan.

Richard Hills? Is he related to Jamie Spencer?:D

brockguy 04-04-2007 12:18 PM

Spencer is definitely talented, but he gets a few too many rushes of blood to the head. He can be infruiating to watch if youve money on him..At Royal Ascot last year, he was top jockey but had so many 2nd and 3rds as well that were just awful, horrible rides..

Left Bank 04-04-2007 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
Spencer is definitely talented, but he gets a few too many rushes of blood to the head. He can be infruiating to watch if youve money on him..At Royal Ascot last year, he was top jockey but had so many 2nd and 3rds as well that were just awful, horrible rides..

He sure rode Terribly in his short stint over here a few years ago.

my miss storm cat 04-04-2007 06:00 PM

From DRF.....

Hmmmm.....

By DAVID GRENING

Sheikh Hamdan not upset with Jara

Despite Invasor’s brilliant victory in the World Cup, two overseas newspapers quoted the colt’s owner, Sheikh Hamdan bin Rashid al-Maktoum, as being critical of jockey Fernando Jara’s ride. But McLaughlin said that is not the case.

One paper quoted Hamdan as being upset by Jara’s looking back at certain points in the race. A second paper quoted Hamdan as being upset with Jara for apparently easing up on Invasor, thus allowing Premium Tap an opportunity to come back at him in the stretch.

McLaughlin said Hamdan told Rick Nichols, the racing manager for Sheikh Hamdan’s Shadwell Stable, that he was misquoted and that he was not critical of Jara in any way.

“Sheikh Hamdan was upset; he doesn’t even know where that came from,’’ McLaughlin said. “He was full of praise of Fernando’s ride and tickled to death for the great victory.”

http://www.drf.com/news/article/83751.html

Sightseek 04-04-2007 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
From DRF.....

Hmmmm.....

By DAVID GRENING

Sheikh Hamdan not upset with Jara

Despite Invasor’s brilliant victory in the World Cup, two overseas newspapers quoted the colt’s owner, Sheikh Hamdan bin Rashid al-Maktoum, as being critical of jockey Fernando Jara’s ride. But McLaughlin said that is not the case.

One paper quoted Hamdan as being upset by Jara’s looking back at certain points in the race. A second paper quoted Hamdan as being upset with Jara for apparently easing up on Invasor, thus allowing Premium Tap an opportunity to come back at him in the stretch.

McLaughlin said Hamdan told Rick Nichols, the racing manager for Sheikh Hamdan’s Shadwell Stable, that he was misquoted and that he was not critical of Jara in any way.

“Sheikh Hamdan was upset; he doesn’t even know where that came from,’’ McLaughlin said. “He was full of praise of Fernando’s ride and tickled to death for the great victory.”

http://www.drf.com/news/article/83751.html

well that is good it was just a rumor :)

Cajungator26 04-04-2007 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
well that is good it was just a rumor :)

Yeah, and it makes me grin to think about all of the comments made about the Sheikh. LOL

ArlJim78 04-04-2007 06:57 PM

All for naught, 150 posts down the drain??

Sightseek 04-04-2007 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
All for naught, 150 posts down the drain??

At least we got to see true colors.

Danzig 04-04-2007 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
All for naught, 150 posts down the drain??

i'm sure it won't be the last time!!

my miss storm cat 04-04-2007 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
At least we got to see true colors.

Royal Blue! :cool: :D

Sightseek 04-04-2007 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Royal Blue! :cool: :D

National Colour :)


(was she OK after the race?)

my miss storm cat 04-04-2007 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
All for naught, 150 posts down the drain??

Of course not!

Even I know there's only one thing to believe in all of this..... that no one knows what is true and what's not, what was said and why or what was not said.

Soooo..... wanna talk about Dubai? :p

my miss storm cat 04-04-2007 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
National Colour :)


(was she OK after the race?)

Hope so.

There's been nothing on the South Africa site yet..... probably in a few days.

Sightseek 04-04-2007 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Of course not!

Even I know there's only one thing to believe in all of this..... that no one knows what is true and what's not, what was said and why or what was not said.

Soooo..... wanna talk about Dubai? :p

He can control the bombox on the beach...playing our favorite website music. :cool:

brockguy 04-04-2007 07:13 PM

at first i was convinced it was an april fools, but then I saw it in the Khaleej Times.. it just didnt sound like something the Shiekh would say!!

Sightseek 04-04-2007 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Hope so.

There's been nothing on the South Africa site yet..... probably in a few days.

Hopefully no news is good news.

my miss storm cat 04-04-2007 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
He can control the bombox on the beach...playing our favorite website music. :cool:

Honestly... it's still stuck in my head!

It's a good thing. :)

C'mon Jim, let's go and rescue Ace-ie and you can take pictures of Sightseek and me riding him on the beach.


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