They had almost identical trips. Street Sense's was better but not by very much.

I disagree with that. CQ was 5? wide on the turn, SS skimmed the rail... a rail that many would say played favorably most of the day. To me, that's quite a few lengths difference.

With trips reversed Street Sense still wins by about five lengths in my opinion.

However, I am of the persuasion that the BC Juvenile was a once in a lifetime performance from Street Sense and he will always be trying to get back to that one race. Street Sense will be not altogether unlike Dreaming of Anna, both were horses coming into a great performance, enjoyed the best part of a biased track, and will be hard-pressed to repeat those efforts.

NT

Those were the same tired horses Street Sense was running away from. And what makes you think SS was better than him at Keeneland? SS made a clear lead at the top of the stretch then wilted.

NT

Oh I agree that the BC proved who was better on that particular day, I just think there was little to no difference that day at Keeneland. I guess that's a pretty pointless argument though. In truth what bothers me I think is the sensationalizing of Street Sense's performance in the BC. I just feel so confident that he will never, ever run back to that race. That's just me though.

NT

Street Sense ran a better race than CQ both days. I don't think there is much doubt of that if you watch both races.

Whoa, I never said CQ wins the BC with an inside trip, just that it would have been closer than 10 lengths.

By the way, for anyone who didn't see the Risen Star, you can watch a replay of it on NTRA.com

On that particular day and throughout the early part of the meet, wide late moves were the best moves, but towards the end of the meet speed started to hold better.

In this race I think the fact that it was both SS and CQ's first two-turn trip they clearly had some learning to do. Borel did allow SS to charge all the way up a bit early while CQ took the overland route again. Again, I think this particular race is a toss-up while acknowledging that SS did move too early, but the BC was a definitive statement that SS is a better horse, he crushed the entire field. I'm ready for him to get out on the track so we can see if it holds up.

NT

I think you should watch the race again....I just watched it the other day a few times. Circular Quay and Street Sense moved as a team and the most Circular Quay was wide on the turn was three wide before he angled wide as they hit the stretch.

Once again, Street Sense had a better trip but it is much closer than many people seem to believe. The bottom line is they went very fast early and most of the field simply collapsed and two were left.....one ran well ( Street Sense ) and one sucked up past the dying rest.

Not only did he move WAY too soon ( at Keeneland ) but he also blew the first turn and lost substantial, and valuable, position....while Circular Quay was sitting comfortably inside.

It was absurd how much better Street Sense ran that day.

didnt cq eek out a win vs tuflsburg... or was that scat diddy..

It was P Diddy.

I must be continuing to miss where Street Sense blew the first turn. He seems to lug out ever so slightly going into the first turn, then races three wide all the way around it. His move was very similar to what won 1 1/16 mile races at Keeneland all meet long. The shortened stretch was never great for closers, even towards the beginning of the meet.

Circular Quay raced inside much of the way, then came off the rail to avoid a quitting horse with about a 1/4 mile to go, then had to swing out and ran on nicely to run 2nd.

I just do not see AT ALL how you can say it's absurd how much better Street Sense ran that day. Without using the BC Juvenile to prove your point, I just don't agree that it was absurd how much better SS was than CQ that day. If you felt that way before November 4th then congratulations on what must have been a nice score for you in the Juvenile.

NT

NTamm....not to butt in here...but BTW was on record as choosing Street Sense as his horse of choice in the B Juvy.