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philcski 02-08-2007 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I wonder if he steals Jill's products? :cool: (this smilie actually resembles him)

HAHAHA!

Cajungator26 02-08-2007 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
i'll guess she goes off at 9/5 or so. this is a pretty decent N1X, i'd be afraid of Silver Knockers. Sniper likes Early Vintage...

I wouldn't be surprised if she runs well today but gets beat. First start off a 7 month layoff, and there's bigger prizes down the road for a filly that could potentially be the best of her birthyear (and i mean that legitimately.)

Gotta go with Awsugahnow... what a great name. LOL :D

philcski 02-08-2007 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Gotta go with Awsugahnow... what a great name. LOL :D

The sex-laden box of Panty Raid, Silver Knockers, and Awsugahnow it is! :D

Sightseek 02-08-2007 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
The sex-laden box of Panty Raid, Silver Knockers, and Awsugahnow it is! :D

Yeah, but it might take a nice Early Vintage for them to lose their knockers. :D

Buffymommy 02-08-2007 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
The sex-laden box of Panty Raid, Silver Knockers, and Awsugahnow it is! :D


HEY NO STEALING MY TRI BOX! :D

Actually, I picked Awsugahnow to win.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 02-08-2007 10:52 AM

wanna overrated horse? empire faker! luckily for him somehow pat day manages a 4 wide trip in a compact field and loses a ton of ground or else TMW rolls right by him that day. saarland being 5-1 in the derby was an absolute joke as well

disappearingdan_akaplaya 02-08-2007 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
The sex-laden box of Panty Raid, Silver Knockers, and Awsugahnow it is! :D

i hope panty raid does well, got some sentimental feeling with the owners since they bred my horse(glencrest farm)

Cajungator26 02-08-2007 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Yeah, but it might take a nice Early Vintage for them to lose their knockers. :D

OMG, that is hilarious... :eek: :D

Mac88 02-08-2007 10:54 AM

Agreed. Was at Spa for that years Jim Dandy. Lucky enough to get box seat. Not taking anything away from Strong Hope but he had length of stretch to run SH down and EM could not. Hung again. That of course was last we saw of him. Horse had talent but not to level of aura surrounding him

Buffymommy 02-08-2007 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
wanna overrated horse? empire faker! luckily for him somehow pat day manages a 4 wide trip in a compact field and loses a ton of ground or else TMW rolls right by him that day. saarland being 5-1 in the derby was an absolute joke as well


You wanna argue about Empire Maker again? You are soooooo silly. :)

disappearingdan_akaplaya 02-08-2007 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
You wanna argue about Empire Maker again? You are soooooo silly. :)

he was overrated, he got beat by man among men lololololol...............nuff said. if atswhatimtalkinbout doesnt get a absolute butcher job of a ride by flores he clearly gets second in that years derby as opposed to only gettin beat a head by the faker, he may have won it all

philcski 02-08-2007 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Yeah, but it might take a nice Early Vintage for them to lose their knockers. :D

don't you mean "Place their Panties [on the floor] and Show their Knockers"? :p

Travis Stone 02-08-2007 11:06 AM

There is no 22-change pace in this race, which further complicates Jazil. Corinthian is off the lay-off, so you have play against him too. DOC CHENEY might be a bit slow in figs, but he at least has some tactical speed. KING OF JAZZ worthy of improvement... tough call there though.

JJP 02-08-2007 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
wanna overrated horse? empire faker! luckily for him somehow pat day manages a 4 wide trip in a compact field and loses a ton of ground or else TMW rolls right by him that day. saarland being 5-1 in the derby was an absolute joke as well

Good call. Saarland had to be one of the most overrated. Dollar Bill also. Somebody earlier mentioned Jazil reminded them of Strike the Gold. StG didn't need 12 furlongs to find a field he could beat. Nowadays the quality in the Belmont fields pales in comparison to the Derby. And it should; 12 furlings is an irrelevant distance for dirt racing.

Cajungator26 02-08-2007 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JJP
And it should; 12 furlings is an irrelevant distance for dirt racing.

And that's a shame IMO. I have huge respect for the kinds of horses that are bred to go long... I'm sick of seeing the sprinter types all over the place. If we want our sport to be devoted to sprinting, perhaps we should start betting quarter horses.

Mac88 02-08-2007 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
There is no 22-change pace in this race, which further complicates Jazil. Corinthian is off the lay-off, so you have play against him too. DOC CHENEY might be a bit slow in figs, but he at least has some tactical speed. KING OF JAZZ worthy of improvement... tough call there though.

Agree Travis. Posted that a little earlier. King of Jazz might be tough

SniperSB23 02-08-2007 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
i'll guess she goes off at 9/5 or so. this is a pretty decent N1X, i'd be afraid of Silver Knockers. Sniper likes Early Vintage...

I wouldn't be surprised if she runs well today but gets beat. First start off a 7 month layoff, and there's bigger prizes down the road for a filly that could potentially be the best of her birthyear (and i mean that legitimately.)

Not sure if the link will work but here is the chart from her first start:

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbP...&BUILD_CACHE=N

Inside post in a big field and she managed to rate, avoid problems and draw off to win. The fact that the second and third place finishers in that race are 9/5 and 8/1 in the Silverbulletday makes it all the more impressive. I'll be amazed if she goes off at 8-1.

Bold Reasoning 02-08-2007 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
Good call. Saarland had to be one of the most overrated. Dollar Bill also. Somebody earlier mentioned Jazil reminded them of Strike the Gold. StG didn't need 12 furlongs to find a field he could beat. Nowadays the quality in the Belmont fields pales in comparison to the Derby. And it should; 12 furlings is an irrelevant distance for dirt racing.

I was the person who mentioned Strike the Gold. I agree with you. STG could win in under 12 furlongs!

Gander 02-08-2007 12:45 PM

In Eclipse balloting, the Belmont winner Jazil was not even rated in the top three.

Rightfully so!

I wouldnt give much credit to Take the Bluff's victory. He sat a perfect trip behind a horse who should never be on the lead to begin with- Executive Choice. And he was all out to hold off the mighty Thundering Success, in a
3 horse field.

And I dont consider Bob & John any better a horse then Scrappy T and a few others who ran behind Afleet Alex in the 05 Belmont.

SniperSB23 02-08-2007 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
In Eclipse balloting, the Belmont winner Jazil was not even rated in the top three.

Rightfully so!

I wouldnt give much credit to Take the Bluff's victory. He sat a perfect trip behind a horse who should never be on the lead to begin with- Executive Choice. And he was all out to hold off the mighty Thundering Success, in a
3 horse field.

And I dont consider Bob & John any better a horse then Scrappy T and a few others who ran behind Afleet Alex in the 05 Belmont.

Even Scrappy T wasn't in that field. That stellar field was comprised of:
Andromeda's Hero
Nolan's Cat
Indy Storm
AP Arrow
Chekhov
Giacomo
Southern Africa
Watchmon
Reverberate
Pinpoint

That being said Alex won that race incredibly easily and likely could have made an early move and blown them away if they were concerned with putting up a good time. As it was it was still 14 lengths back to the 3rd place finisher.


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