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Downthestretch55 01-19-2007 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Nothing wrong with rooting for Corinthian but I just never saw all this ability that everyone else did. I believe last year's FOY was a VERY bad race. To me Corinthian looks like yet another horse that will probably never race again and if he does it will not be very well. But I've been wrong before.

As for Sir Greeley....you're delusional. You have some deep affection for the horse that is severly clouding your judgement. I hope he makes all your dreams come true. Good luck to that.

Blackthroat,
You could be entirely right with this.
Heck, just getting a horse back on the track after a serious injury shows me some hope. About as easy as breaking a cribber of the chewing.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Wherever Blockhead is nowadays, he knows that I put Corinthian out on here before the bad stuff happened. I'd like to see both Corinthian and Blocky back. Just might liven things up for the unbelievers, uhh, fans.

eurobounce 01-19-2007 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
First ripping Zito....then Nascar....now Pat Day. Congrats...you hit the "Ignore This Poster" Trifecta.......

Pat Day was beyond overrated....

I will let Pat Day's record speak for itself.

stonegossard 01-19-2007 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
I will let Pat Day's record speak for itself.


Pat Day was no more skilled than many other riders of his time...he was fortunate to be fed excellent mounts and have the right connections. He really wasnt that "great" a rider.

SniperSB23 01-19-2007 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Nothing wrong with rooting for Corinthian but I just never saw all this ability that everyone else did. I believe last year's FOY was a VERY bad race. To me Corinthian looks like yet another horse that will probably never race again and if he does it will not be very well. But I've been wrong before.

As for Sir Greeley....you're delusional. You have some deep affection for the horse that is severly clouding your judgement. I hope he makes all your dreams come true. Good luck to that.

I was just looking back at the Past Performances for the FOY. It actually wasn't as bad as I thought. First Sam was coming off a bunch of nice races (103/98/107), Great Point and My Golden Song had just lost by a small margin to Barbaro. Rehoboth was coming off a nice allowance win. Flashy Bull was showing some promising form at the time. Jazil was in the race as well. Not a good field but nowhere near as bad as the Dwyer. I think the real question that has to be answered was what was going on at the end of the race. Were we seeing a tiring horse veering out in the stretch because he was out of gas or were we seeing a horse with a lot left that got to the lead too early and started goofing off displaying his Buckpasser genes? If it is the former then there is little reason to expect he will improve significantly off that race. If it was the latter then there is reason to believe he could be very good.

We'll see if I look delusional or not come May. I bet Sir Greeley hits the board in both and I think it is 20-1 that he wins one of them.

eurobounce 01-19-2007 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Pat Day was no more skilled than many other riders of his time...he was fortunate to be fed excellent mounts and have the right connections. He really wasnt that "great" a rider.

If you say so. But I guess 9 TC winners (and the only jock to win the Preakness 3 straight times). He also won the Canadian Triple Crown. And he holds the all time record for Breeders Cup wins with 12. I guess that is pretty much luck

stonegossard 01-19-2007 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
If you say so. But I guess 9 TC winners (and the only jock to win the Preakness 3 straight times). He also won the Canadian Triple Crown. And he holds the all time record for Breeders Cup wins with 12. I guess that is pretty much luck


Listen...I am not saying he was a horrible jock. He had a long career...so of course he was going to get the wins. But he wasn't one of the greats....McCarron..Eddie D....Pincay...Cordero...Stevens......they were the great ones from his time....I am probably forgetting a few....Day was nowhere near the jockey those guys were...

Thank god that night when he was all whacked out on heroin in a hotel room that god magically appeared from his tv and told him to straighten out his life....who knows what dumpster he would be residing in today calling home

eurobounce 01-19-2007 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Listen...I am not saying he was a horrible jock. He had a long career...so of course he was going to get the wins. But he wasn't one of the greats....McCarron..Eddie D....Pincay...Cordero...Stevens......they were the great ones from his time....I am probably forgetting a few....Day was nowhere near the jockey those guys were...

Thank god that night when he was all whacked out on heroin in a hotel room that god magically appeared from his tv and told him to straighten out his life....who knows what dumpster he would be residing in today calling home

Yeah--too bad Antley didnt have God pop out of his tv like Day. But Day did more on the track than Stevens, McCarron, Eddie D and Cordero did. I would say that Pincay is the top dog. Personal preference is all.

stonegossard 01-19-2007 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Yeah--too bad Antley didnt have God pop out of his tv like Day. But Day did more on the track than Stevens, McCarron, Eddie D and Cordero did. I would say that Pincay is the top dog. Personal preference is all.


Day was better than McCarron?????? Cordero?????

You are clearly nuts and/or clueless.

This time I am gonna ignore you.

Adios......

eurobounce 01-19-2007 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Day was better than McCarron?????? Cordero?????

You are clearly nuts and/or clueless.

This time I am gonna ignore you.

Adios......

Make your case as to why McCarron and Cordero are better. Change my mind. I am totally open to your logic. Go ahead and convince me.

stonegossard 01-19-2007 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Make your case as to why McCarron and Cordero are better. Change my mind. I am totally open to your logic. Go ahead and convince me.



Sorry.....I made a donation to charity already this month. I have no interest in helping you. Try me again next month.

eurobounce 01-19-2007 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Sorry.....I made a donation to charity already this month. I have no interest in helping you. Try me again next month.

So basically you can't? The numbers that Day has are much better than McCarron or Cordero.

Sightseek 01-19-2007 01:22 PM

BTW, I fully respect that you've seen lots of great horses and all, but the thing is, there are very few great horses in training right now and a lot of Grades Stakes races...so I'm just wondering, if none of these victories are going to Jazil, Corinthian and all of the other horses you claim to be doubtful of victory...who is winning them? The few horses of quality would be lucky to start 4-6 times this year.

stonegossard 01-19-2007 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
So basically you can't? The numbers that Day has are much better than McCarron or Cordero.



Numbers huh?

So if you are a numbers guy where do guys like Rusell Baze and David Gall fall into your opinion? 3rd and 4th?

Numbers are not the end all to determine if a guy was "great".

Pat Day has the numbers.....but he couldnt wash either McCarron's or Cordero's jockstraps.



Clearly you arent worth wasting my time on.......adios

SniperSB23 01-19-2007 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
BTW, I fully respect that you've seen lots of great horses and all, but the thing is, there are very few great horses in training right now and a lot of Grades Stakes races...so I'm just wondering, if none of these victories are going to Jazil, Corinthian and all of the other horses you claim to be doubtful of victory...who is winning them? The few horses of quality would be lucky to start 4-6 times this year.

Strong Pretender of course. :rolleyes:

Downthestretch55 01-19-2007 01:47 PM

Euro,
I should write this in the other thread, you know which one.
It should be titled "fishing".
Goes like this...
Makes a cast.
Splashes down.
Lucky it didn't end up in the tree. Whewww!
Waits for the ripples to go away.
Waiting, waiting, waiting.
Gives it a twitch.
Nothing.
Gives it another.
Nope. That big one ain't comin' out.
Lockjaw is plenty frustrating.
Comeon ya big dumbass!
Nope...
So the jerk on one end of the line expecting a jerk on the other end reels in.
Cussin' while his rowboat slowly sinks.
Ain't no charity here!
And the DAY is made.
Glub, glub!
See ya Ahab!

Cajungator26 01-19-2007 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Though some might not agree with what I have to say, it gives me a place to share some thoughts..or insanity. It's all about how you look at some things.

Wayne,

I hope you know I was kidding...

Cajungator26 01-19-2007 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Pat Day was no more skilled than many other riders of his time...he was fortunate to be fed excellent mounts and have the right connections. He really wasnt that "great" a rider.

Speaking of excellent Pat Day mounts, Easy Goer was one of my favorite horses of all time... Easy Goer and Sunday Silence got me into watching horseracing as a kid. Silver Charm started the actual addiction.

Downthestretch55 01-19-2007 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Wayne,

I hope you know I was kidding...

Jaimie,
Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.
Now if we got down to really talkin' about how to select the freshest oysters or the firmest melons....all I can say is... I'M WITH YA, BABE!
Now, let's just get back to pickin' the KD winner...that would be more than enough for me, and hopefully you too!
Heck, let's have a TC winner this year. I'm ready, you?
W

KirisClown 01-19-2007 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
talking about claimers....how about a horse named EASY GRADES.......won 3 opt claimers in a row at LRL.....I told you he would be a great horse....

You were dead on about Easy Grades... those three wins are more than Corinthian and Steppenwolfer will have in 07 combined...

Im still waiting for my Byanosejoe predictions to come true...

brianwspencer 01-19-2007 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown
You were dead on about Easy Grades... those three wins are more than Corinthian and Steppenwolfer will have in 07 combined...

Im still waiting for my Byanosejoe predictions to come true...

When did Easy grades win those races?

Wasn't he running for a 10K tag at Hawthorne last winter and maybe Churchill?

Hey, he was still winning though!


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