Originally Posted by Scav

One thing that I feel needs to be stressed is that this time of year, most GOOD horses are cranked yet because of all the opportunities they have throughout the year. Playing horses like SNS and Strong Contender this weekend were definitely risky because like either of them care about a 100k G3 race when they are pointing toward $1mil races later on. It was a perfect spot for both of them to get a little competition and fitness for when it really counts.

I think some people are expecting trainers to go to the media with a news release telling gamblers NOT TO PLAY THEIR HORSE. They do the best they can with warning the public, like Trombetta and Ward did, but they can't just say not to play their horse because if the horse goes and wins, they will get crapped on.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

hey, we all know strong contender could come back and win his next. now, if he keeps running races like his last, then yes, call him overrated or a goat, etc etc. one race doesn't tell the tale. sometimes a couple doesn't. there were thousands of horses between colin and personal ensign. there will be thousands more before the next perfect horse comes along. meantime, we'll just have to settle for mere mortals.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree. Someone called ATRAB tonight and griped about Kiaran saying after the race Friday that Jazil wasn't cranked up. No kidding? Geez, and here I thought he would have been pointing for that race. Figuring out trainer intention, especially with layoff horses, and even moreso with GOOD horses, is all part of playing the horses. Those that do this well have a better chance to win.

Both Ward and Trombetta said going into the race they hardly expected their horse's best efforts. One would hope not.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The point is, however, that he didn't run badly at all Saturday if you carefully watch the replay....especially the head-on. A clean trip, with a little improvement, will give him a very good chance to be competitive against Saturday's group in the future.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

He ran a monster race no doubt. When I saw Dominguez pumping around the turn I thought he was done, and he battled all the way tp the wire. But his trip was pretty ideal. He sat second just off the 99-1 pace setter and had first run on everyone. I don't doubt at all that he wasn't cranked and respect Trombetta as a trainer, but if I could get his trip everytime on a horse I bet I would be happy.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree. Someone called ATRAB tonight and griped about Kiaran saying after the race Friday that Jazil wasn't cranked up. No kidding? Geez, and here I thought he would have been pointing for that race. Figuring out trainer intention, especially with layoff horses, and even moreso with GOOD horses, is all part of playing the horses. Those that do this well have a better chance to win.

Both Ward and Trombetta said going into the race they hardly expected their horse's best efforts. One would hope not.

Originally Posted by Scav

Watch the head on again DaHoss. He was more like 5w on the backstretch becuase the 2 was about 2-3 paths off the rail, while Chaitian got a great trip sitting about 2w the whole race. Chaitan beat him by about 1.25 lengths, and SNS finished up very strong. SNS is not a one turn horse, he is a two turn speed horse that rates REAL well. I am actually pretty surprised by the amount that Ramon gets into him. I would much rather have Kent on him in the Sunshine Millions, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I am actually worried that he ran TOO HUGE in this race and it could have knocked him out a little bit for the Sunshine Millions. His TG number is going to be monsterous. I am guessing it might be better then Chaitan's

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Seriously?

Originally Posted by Scav

Yes, he is riding well so far at Gulfstream.....As I have said about Kent, he has balls the size of basketballs. That I at least respect and for every hole that he gets shut out of, he gets through a couple that produce good winners. At least he tries those holes (many wouldn't even try and would rather stay 6w and run 5th on the best horse), and for that I trust my money on him

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I really don't pay enough attention to trip and ride for my own good...but even I can't miss when he screws up.

Originally Posted by Scav

But do you pay attention when he dives to the rail and wins by a head, and if he goes to the outside, he loses by a neck?

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I'll have to watch closer, but I don't think I've ever said; "wow, what a great move" when he was in the saddle.

Originally Posted by Scav

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying he is the next Shoemaker or Pincay BUT he rides the turf well, which is where alot of my bigger plays go.

His ride on SNS in the Derby was questionable, but if he gets through, IMO he has a hell of a chance to run Barbaro to the wire, SNS is a horse that gets brave on the lead and if he see daylight there, instead of getting checked in the rail, he has a shot.

Originally Posted by Scav

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying he is the next Shoemaker or Pincay BUT he rides the turf well, which is where alot of my bigger plays go.

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He was extremely effective on Relaxed Gesture this summer.