I never said he was underrated before the Classic. I'm saying he is now, as he is being brushed away after a pretty damn good race. Of course, we'll never really know...

I think it speaks volumes that they retired bernardini as a three year old, and even more so they knew they would going into the breeders cup.

it's really not very often that you see them retire a healthy 3yo, especially one that is a supposed superstar.

say what you will about godolphin and darley, but they at least usually keep their top horses running through their four and sometimes five year old seasons.

what this says to me is that they knew he wasnt as good as the hype would suggest, and therefore he will be worth alot more at stud if his reputation does not become tarnished.

as i was telling salami the other day, i have to think way back to come up with a horse like bernardini. one that is a very very good horse, but is also very much overhyped.

3rd choice at 7-1 which is insane odds on the only horse besides Tom Fool to win the Pimlico Special, Suburban, and Whitney in the same year.

Better Talk Now is underrated I guess...a former BC winner who again went off at 20-1 plus didn't he?? He darn near pulled another huge upset in the BC turf. Won a couple nice races this year and did also run some pretty pedestrian ones in the Arlington Million and UN. Pretty consistent old guy nonetheless.

I agree about Better Talk Now. This horse has been a thorn in my side forever betting wise. The few times I have played him have been when he throws a dud. A couple different times I needed somebody else to win for scores, and BTN beats me.

What a resume this horse has put together over the years. Very underrated when you consider all the ink English Channel and Cacique seem to get.