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Scav 12-08-2006 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
I personally never saw a horse more overrated than FuPeg, never.
I didn't understand it at the time and I don't know how anyone ever thought of him as some superhorse.
If you watch his Derby, he only won because of an incredibly lucky break and one of the worst rides Solis ever gave.
I was there that day and the rail was as golden as they come. Aptitude was following Fupeg and they were both in behind horses. Solis panicked on the turn and vacated the rail and swung wide in attempt to pass horses. FuPeg slid through a hole that immediately opened up and he was able to slide through it(already in gear from moving up to get the slot that was vacated) with no hesitation and ended up winning by less than the margin of ground that Aptitude lost by in going wide and losing the great rail.
If any of you ever get a chance to see this replay you will see it. He was worked on every step of the lane by the jock and basically was full bore against a moderate field and won with a perfect trip that couldnt have been scripted any better.
Good horse, yes, very good I suppose. But he was yet another media creation that was nowhere NEAR as talented as we was proclaimed to be. Here is an excerpt from the chart call of that Derby.

FUSAICHI PEGASUS broke to the inside, saved ground along the backstretch, swung out approaching the quarter pole and edged clear under vigorous hand urging. APTITUDE was with the winner along the backstretch, eased outside FUSAICHI PEGASUS nearing the final sixteenth and finished determinedly but wasn?t good enough.

Solis, especially now, wants nothing to do with the rail, he has the Albarado disease....

Cannon Shell 12-08-2006 05:37 PM

[quote=oracle80]I personally never saw a horse more overrated than FuPeg, never.
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Tapit?

oracle80 12-08-2006 06:28 PM

[quote=Cannon Shell]
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Originally Posted by oracle80
I personally never saw a horse more overrated than FuPeg, never.
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Tapit?

Noone really thoughthe could run besides Watchmaker did they?
I always referred to his Wood as the "dead Wood".

Cannon Shell 12-08-2006 06:31 PM

[quote=oracle80]
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Noone really thoughthe could run besides Watchmaker did they?
I always referred to his Wood as the "dead Wood".

Suprisingly there were a lot of people who liked this horse. Go back and you'll see that a lot of "experts" picked this horse to win the Derby.

brianwspencer 12-08-2006 06:34 PM

[quote=Cannon Shell]
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Suprisingly there were a lot of people who liked this horse. Go back and you'll see that a lot of "experts" picked this horse to win the Derby.

And a lot of bettors --

Smarty Jones: 4.10-1
Lion Heart: 5.40-1
Tapit: 6.40-1

Cannon Shell 12-08-2006 06:42 PM

[quote=brianwspencer]
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And a lot of bettors --

Smarty Jones: 4.10-1
Lion Heart: 5.40-1
Tapit: 6.40-1

I could never figure out why this horse was so highly touted. He never ran fast or really impressively. I know for a while some of the softer minds in the business were mezmerized by Dickinson but I was surprised how many fell for this plug.

brianwspencer 12-08-2006 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cannonshell
I could never figure out why this horse was so highly touted. He never ran fast or really impressively. I know for a while some of the softer minds in the business were mezmerized by Dickinson but I was surprised how many fell for this plug.

I didn't want anything to do with him on Derby Day, but then again my saavy was a bit underscored when the bottom half of my exacta won the damn thing while my choice, Castledale, finished up the track. So what do I know?

Cajungator26 12-08-2006 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I didn't want anything to do with him on Derby Day, but then again my saavy was a bit underscored when the bottom half of my exacta won the damn thing while my choice, Castledale, finished up the track. So what do I know?

My choice finished up the track too. (Master David.) :o

brianwspencer 12-08-2006 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
My choice finished up the track too. (Master David.) :o

Well, even I could have told you that was going to happen :p

oracle80 12-08-2006 07:00 PM

[quote=brianwspencer]
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And a lot of bettors --

Smarty Jones: 4.10-1
Lion Heart: 5.40-1
Tapit: 6.40-1


The funniest thing I ever saw in my life was on sportscenter that night after the derby.
They opened with one of the resident ESPN wiseass's wisecracking on "this guy" with his finger in the mud walking around and checking the mud. Everyone in the place I was in ROARED with laughter at that scene.

philcski 12-08-2006 08:36 PM

[quote=oracle80]
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Noone really thoughthe could run besides Watchmaker did they?
I always referred to his Wood as the "dead Wood".

Haha that's funny, that's what i called it too. A horrible edition of the Wood, through and through- only one runner from that race ever won anything of significance after that (Eddington) and only one other runner won a G3 (Swingforthefences.) Value Plus went off as the 5/2 favorite and you, me, and the popcorn girl knew he needed a cart to go 9F by then... hell i think i bet LittleMathMan or some crazy bomb like that!
Got a 109 on my figures which is about an 89 Beyer (the official number was a 98 if i recall correctly.) Normally the Wood winner will be in the 118 range on my figs.

oracle80 12-08-2006 08:43 PM

[quote=philcski]
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Originally Posted by oracle80

Haha that's funny, that's what i called it too. A horrible edition of the Wood, through and through- only one runner from that race ever won anything of significance after that (Eddington) and only one other runner won a G3 (Swingforthefences.) Value Plus went off as the 5/2 favorite and you, me, and the popcorn girl knew he needed a cart to go 9F by then... hell i think i bet LittleMathMan or some crazy bomb like that!
Got a 109 on my figures which is about an 89 Beyer (the official number was a 98 if i recall correctly.) Normally the Wood winner will be in the 118 range on my figs.

The guy who does the Ny numbers for Beyer is one of Dickinson's friends and owners, I think that number got a little help. It was a disgrace to give it a 98


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