Yea! Whatever!

At least I liked what I heard what comments some online users had to say

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i absolutely cannot believe that you just referred me to one of the most misguided, untrue pieces of anti-abortion propoganda in order to try to stake a claim that a fetus feels pain.

it shows nothing conclusively except that anti-abortion activists will lie and say anything they need to in order to try to sway public opinion.

there is no cerebral cortex at 12 weeks and no way for there to be nerves communicating with the brain, rendering the ability to perceive, or receive pain impulses unequivically impossible. this slight oversight on the part of the producers also dispels their myth that the fetus is frantically "trying to get away" because it cannot cognizantly recognize anything at this stage, so these movements are all reflexive due to the entrance of the tools into the uterus.

OK,Sheep! You have to live with your answers. Frankly,I don't think you have a clue!

how am i "sheep" when i am not just taking what is thrown in front of me as the truth? instead i am questioning all of the false claims made in the movie.

that film is very widely regarded as nothing but utter propoganda, and any research into the claims made in the film would expose it as such -- as i so kindly did for you in the last post i just made.

you can pretend that the science doesn't support the things i just wrote, but i would contend then that you'd be the sheep -- just hanging with the flock and pretending that things are true, just so you can feel better about the stance you take.

have fun with that one. facts and research always trump propoganda -- at least to intelligent people.

Pal, you believe in evolution! Have you read anything in the press about scientists becoming more disenchanted with evolution every day? Believe what you want....you're gonna really be surprised.

well i'll certainly take the small chance of being proven wrong about evolution in the future over pretending that some wacko right-wing propoganda "science" says that a 12 week fetus can feel pain any day.

at least there is some evidence to back evolution up, whereas there is no evidence whatsoever that to back the claim that a 12 week fetus feels pain....unless "silent scream" is evidence hahahahahahha, what a piece of **** video.

oh man, sorry for laughing i just still can't get over how a grown person would try to use that video to back up their views.....

laugher of the week, without a doubt,

I repeat: you don't have a clue! But, enjoy the rest of the many features this fabulous site has,like Esoteric...that ones' for you!

dude i will listen once you finally make a point.

saying "you don't have a clue" means nothing. it just shows that you have nothing at all to say for yourself and your ridiculous claims.

and i'm okay with the fact that you have no way of backing yourself up and your super awesome suggestion of watching 'silent scream' (a total hoot by the way, i enjoyed every minute of it because it's so ridiculous, so thanks for the entertainment value tonight).

let's just call a spade a spade and level on the fact that you have no clue what you're talking about, or even what point you're trying to make.

You could read a book,huh?....so look it up...I don't normally argue with kids!

case and point. i'm going to bed. you're not even saying anything -- you're being ridiculous just for the sake of being ridiculous.

if you've got anything of value, or even that makes sense, to say then by all means say it. i have more than acquitted myself this afternoon of being open to having a discussion and being oopen to hearing ideas.

and not "normally arguing with kids" holds no weight. i'm more than mature enough to entertain your off-the-radar insightful comments. it's something i would say if a young guy was completely serving my ass to me on a plate in a discussion and i had nothing else to say. kudos on that escape route.

so if you get any ideas, then by all means share them. until then --there's no reason to entertain this 'conversation' any further because only one of us is even making sense and saying anything other than "you don't have a clue." "you don't have a clue" "you don't have a clue" (all insightful comments based on their own merit :p , but not conducive to discussion)....hint: that person is not you.

sweet dreams man, may intelligence and coherent thought come to you in the coming days.

Have a nice trip back to the College Football Board,Brian!

i'm dissappointed. that last comment shows that you're only treating me this way because of my age -- that's sad.

but for the record, 1.) i am done with college 2.) i don't even like college football. the extent to which i follow it consists only of knowing when University of Michigan has a home game so I can avoid the traffic by Michigan Stadium on my way to work.

Hey Brian: let's clear the slate,huh? I know you're young, and I shouldn't disrespect you because of your age. So,I apologize. It's just that I hear so much of the same stuff from kids with little or no life experience,and don't understand the ramifications of actions. So,maybe in a while, I'll discuss subjects with you,but don't sell yourself short and follow the social lines...find the real truth. This IS the best site for HR...don't sell it short,either. Timm

i can deal with that. clean slate.

i will never purport to have the wisdom or life experience that many of the members here may have -- that's a given because of the age. however, i've got quite a story to tell from my 23 years. they've been full of more great and more horrible things than i care to revisit, which is why i get frustrated beyond belief when people have a preconceived notion of what my life is like, the intelligence i may or may not have and the life experiences i may or may not have had. you would likely be surprised.

as long as we can agree that i don't really know you and you don't really know me, then these conversations are fine. this is ONE of the very few things that I am stupid passionate about from more personal experiences with friends than any male should have, so I don't consider this an issue on which I am following social lines. You're free to dispute that, but as long as I've put that out there, I feel better about it.

and yes, this is the best place for horse racing :) i've just been missing out the whole time until last month when i finally checked it out.

Brian: you can PM me,if you wish,to talk about your passion. I have not visited this subject for many years...life get in the way,sometimes,ya know!

it's a conversation that never goes anywhere, but that i can never keep out of when other people are having it. one of the comments you made was a perfect example, the thing that really pissed me off, about that short film.

i can't imagine not getting involved (even though i was previously involved) and saying something about that. what if someone had found that on the internet and watched it and just didn't think -- but was so mortified by what they were seeing that it never occurred to them that it could be wildly exaggerated and at times, outright false?

i just will never pretend to be familiar with something that i am not. you will not catch me pretending i know a thing about mortgages, veterinary medicine, or how on EARTH (!) marshmallows get made, among other things.

there isn't much else to say, but that when we inevitably end up arguing politics or abortion in the future -- to just remember that my life has created my beliefs, not the other way around.

Your life has created your beliefs....how is that exactly?

i'm just saying that my beliefs have changed considerably since i was younger. my mom never felt the need to instill in me any agenda, or any core set of beliefs, like a Christian family may do, for example.

I've moved around a bunch, met lots of different people, and done lots of different things (some good, some terrible).

Those experiences have shaped and created my beliefs. My beliefs did not shape the path my life took, because I was more or less a blank slate halfway through high school. For example, I was an atheist. For example, I used to trend far far FAR more liberal -- to the point of being insane about it instead of reasonable. Experiences in my life have changed these beliefs.

Not sure if I'm saying it the right way.

Now I need to move to the Esoteric room. Though I'm blaming you.