As far as the excuses for Bernardini, too bad the dini-fans here can't be as gracious as Albertrani was after the race. He simply said that Invasor was a better horse yesterday.

--Dunbar

Im a huge dini fan, but no excuses, none!!! bad ride, bad post none of that.. he just got beat by a better horse

:rolleyes:

The only people I see being ungracious are those who start threads like this trying to taunt Bernardini fans (cause now he's a nag). On the other hand, I haven't seen one post from a Bernardini supporter that has not given credit to Invasor......

Invasor, hes the best!! Happy?? lol

all joking aside, kudos Invasor, down the stretch I was shouting go dini, go dini, no invasor, no invasor !!! Bleep, bleep, bleep, how the hell did this happen?? some more bleeps !!!

and that’s why I love horse racing !!!

no that wasn't me. i had an up and down day. i hit a nice exacta in the fmturf but not much else until the classic. i was down a little going into the classic......and came out up quite a bit.

i never said he was a nag. in fact i believe i described him as a "good horse" a few times throughout the thread. this thread is not about him being a bad horse, it is about him not being the horse that some overexcited bozos on this board had been telling us he was for months. if someone had the nerve to question this horse.....the bernmafia was all over them.....for months.
after he won one of his races over a small low-class field one of them started a thread entitled "barbaro who?" people compared him to secretariat. if you think this thread is "ungracious" well......good. those of us who correctly questioned this horse were not treated very graciously for the last 5 months. it seems the bernmafia is good at dishing it out....but has a little trouble taking it.

YOU mean the Bernmafia who were creating a ridiculous comparison that was nowhere near reality and should be feeling as stupid as stupid gets right now?
"He wants a target"
"He could go much faster, he was only under a handride"
"Hes gonna set the track record"

Blah, Glad thats over with.

Great horse, but not one tenth of what he was hyped to be, and now the Bernmafia can choke on it. I don't hear their big mouths now.

true mike ..did not see you around..,,,hope you crushed the cup...and i wont even go there about the trip and going out on a limb in saying the only other horse that figured was gonna win..to the original poster.. what happened to sun king..all all ect..

Seems like we have two schools of thought here....some people need to somehow brag about being right to vindicate themselves. Others seem willing to admit that they probably overrated Bernardini.

Gee, I wonder which group is more likely to win at the racetrack.

I understand why the original poster said what he/she said, it was true if you doubted this horse, there were tons of people calling you a hater. There were quotes of "my god, he's here the horse we have all been waiting for, he's here" and if you didn't drink the Kool-Aid you were an idiot. The arrogance that some put up here of how easily win the Classic was unreal and I think most of you paid for it, that's alright, there's something to learn from that. I thought he'd win, I gave him a 75% chance of winning, but I wasn't about to claim he was an all time great. He's very good, probably below Silver Charm, Tiznow, etc. but very good. He should win 3yo of the year, because of what he accomplished, but no one can honestly say that he would have beaten Barbaro more than 5 out of 10 times if they faced each other...I still say what I said earlier, he's one of the luckiest horses that I can think of in a long time, he won the Preakness, because of tragedy and the others were over the top, his Jim Dandy was a joke, and he beat a 3 legged horse in the Travers, I can't fault his JCGC, but it was a small field, but that's not his fault. I thought he was the most likely to win and thought he was talented, but also thought Invasior and Lava Man had a shot, so I was rewarded for not drinking the Bernardiniaid.

The chances of Invasor actually missing a race with a fever are almost non existant IMO. They knew he would run well fresh, and it didnt make any sense to showdown with Dini before the main objective, the Classic. They did a fantastic job getting him ready, but there is noway the horse ran a 116 beyer, period. He ran 108, which is still very good, but it still makes Dini's race a bounce or a surface he didnt favor. Anyone who has any eye for a horses locomotion can tell the horse was struggling getting over the ground going down the backside. Whether he took some kickback, or just wasnt handling the ground, something was wrong. He was facing better horses, but had he been the same Dini that ran 4 weeks prior.... he wins. Invasor ran huge, and hes the real deal, so is Dini. On both of their best days there is no telling who wins, Im sure nobody would mind owning, or racing either in their colors.

did he officially run a 116 or a 108? if it was the former, than it completely fits with everything these horses have been doing all year.

wait a minute...so not only is beyer off, this one time all year (of course none of those other, high beyers when bernardini won are wrong, just this one) but mcglaughlin is a liar as well? conspiracy theories galore.

It depends who you ask. My guys come up with 108 and they are the best in the business. Andy Beyers guys come up with 116, which I think is high. If the 116 is right, its Invasors highest number ever...... off 90 days. Not impossible, but I wouldnt think it probable. To me the 108 is more realistic.

Yes, believe it or not Beyer numbers arent ALWAYS what you see in the form. Guys who make the numbers realize this to be the truth. You would be amazed how many times Ive seen late money come in on horses with skewed beyers in the form. Of course I know the real numbers, but the general public doesnt have that information. What Im saying is the skewed horse will take all the action, while a horse with a hidden beyer takes all the late smart money. The legit figure wins the race, and the publics choice gets a hamsandwich.

I believe the Classic numbers are incorrect as published, yes. Infact I think half the card is wrong

Hooves I'm sorry I didn't get to see you. I had my best cup ever at the windows. Only guy I saw from the board was Stevie on Derby Day when he stopped by Lansdon's.
I was pretty busy from start to finish and just arrived home about 15 minutes ago.
I put out the Sun King thing long before he drew post 13 and they scraped the rail yet again.
Funny how you seem to forget the Balletto bet, which I did do and lucked into, but heped create my own luck by liking Round Pond. I didn't have net acess while I was there very much, only limited acess. I don't need to have to post my every action and move on this board to know what I did.
I joined in the conference via phone(I told Cajun what I thought and she typed it) and I spoke to GPK, Crown and Club, Bellamy Road the day of the cup and told em my thoughts.
I'll post my trip happenings later on, I'm exhausted right now.

This is classic stuff. I will have to read this one to Beyer personally.

If people knew the REAL truth about Beyer, and his dedication and belief in his numbers, posts of this ilk would be all the more hilarious.

Blackthroat, since your such good friends with those guys, who makes the numbers at CHD, they are horrible.

What track is CHD?

Besides, you have just claimed to know the inner workings at Beyer Associates, accusing them of purposely misleading the public. You obviously don't need me as a pipeline to anyone there and certainly aren't going to get any help from me.

CHD is Churchill downs. Blackthroat, there is no doubt in my mind the numbers are off, and have been off there on a regular basis.