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Hwjb 10-20-2006 04:30 AM

There has been some mention of holding the Breeders' Cup in Europe every few years. I wouldn't be in support of that idea, especially with Arc day providing all that's needed nowadays, and on a proper turf course.
However I think calling the BC the "World Thoroughbred Championships" reeks a little bit of self grandiloquence. When you consider that 19 countries were represented at the Carnival in Dubai last season it seems a bit ridiculous to name the BC in these terms when I would imagine no more than 6 or 7 countries were represented by runners in 2005.

timmgirvan 10-20-2006 05:35 AM

I can understand the dislike of Cali tracks, but would like the opportunity to witness one in the future. No Europe-No way! Where ever it is held- I JUST DONT WANT IT TO RAIN! There...I feel better

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-20-2006 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
KG,

My complaint with SA as a regular rotation host has been the outrageous advantage the track has given the West Coast horses when it's been run there as much as the weather. And of course last time at Arcadia there was forest fire smoke and ash to deal with...

How about:

Churchill
Belmont
Santa Anita
"Guest Track"
Churchill
Belmont
Arlington
"Guest Track"

then repeat.. SA and AP every 8 years.. BEL/CD every 4 years.. Woodbine, Lone Star, Monmouth every 12 years.. something along those lines..

toga.......

oracle80 10-20-2006 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
toga.......

Toga's kinda cold at the end of October Hooves, and the place is not a heated facility. Be kinda rough.
Belmont and CD are the only way to go. I don't see why it needs to be a traveling carnival act. Both CD and Belmont are big places near airports and quarantine facilities with plenty of hotels nearby. Both have grass and dirt facilities that are fair to Euros, East and West Coast horses.
I really gotta say that CD and Bel should be the only two places that host it.

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-20-2006 06:38 AM

i know it wont happen..just like the whole layout...is gonna be cold in ky too..and the arlington bc was frigging freezing...so too was belmont last year..gulfstream..or make that un used track in fla that starts with a h a home of the bc..its not cold ,,,

Buffymommy 10-20-2006 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
i know it wont happen..just like the whole layout...is gonna be cold in ky too..and the arlington bc was frigging freezing...so too was belmont last year..gulfstream..or make that un used track in fla that starts with a h a home of the bc..its not cold ,,,


The area for Hialeah is bad. I LOVED the track though. I LOVED watching the flaminos fly! It really was a beautiful track. No I didn't like the neighborhood though, but I agree with you hooves. Why shouldn't it be held in a warm climate? It is in the high 80s/low 90s right now.

boswd 10-20-2006 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
toga.......

I agree with having it at least once at Saratoga. The place more so than any other track deserves it. I don't buy into the weather argument. Belmont can get cold, they held it at Woodbine in Canada for god's sakes and in Arlington Park. The place is large enough to accomadate the people. Between Albany and Lake George there are more than enough hotels. I know in the past The NTRA has contacted NYRA about it but NYRA used the excuse of the weather and accomadations, which is pure and utter BS. The only reason they don't is because Belmont and Saratoga share the "guts" and it is a major overhaul to do for just one day.
Now I am not saying having it on a regular rotation but just once, just once have it at the place that was the birthplace of "organized" horse racing in our country. It's the olderst race track still running and the place has played host to some of the most treasured moments in horse racing. It would be such an event and spectacle that every horse fan would want to be a part of. It would have a similiar effect to when the All-Star game was held at Fenway. It is a perfect analogy, The place is tiny but them made it work. And it was great for baseball. If they can pull it off there, they can sacrafice the overhaul from Belmont to Saratoga JUST ONCE!!!!!!

Crown@club 10-20-2006 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
will you please lay off the crack, you need to relax and stop trying to start ****

I just started this thread Scavs. And for once Jerry might have a vaild point.

Crown@club 10-20-2006 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Here's a picture of the winner for you (no need to wait until AFTER.) :D


Man look at that track. I miss it. (where's the tear drop icon) Actually it looks like it could had use more dirt that day. Kind of looks like a paved highway.

Crown@club 10-20-2006 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Ellis Park!!!!

YES! YES! BRING IT HERE!

Bold Reasoning 10-20-2006 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I guess if having freezing temperatures and sloppy tracks are the only things that are important.

There are rarely freezing temperatures at Churchill or Belmont in early November. Monmouth fits that description, too. I would not vouch for the Windy City track, however.

BellamyRd. 10-20-2006 11:47 AM

I like the suggestion of having it every year at a revamped Hialeah
great park, great fall temps

Seattleallstar 10-20-2006 11:50 AM

wasnt Hialeah the track they used for Let it Ride

Buffymommy 10-20-2006 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
wasnt Hialeah the track they used for Let it Ride


Says it was filmed in Hialeah, Florida, so I am guessing you are correct. :)

brianwspencer 10-20-2006 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Toga's kinda cold at the end of October Hooves, and the place is not a heated facility. Be kinda rough.
Belmont and CD are the only way to go. I don't see why it needs to be a traveling carnival act. Both CD and Belmont are big places near airports and quarantine facilities with plenty of hotels nearby. Both have grass and dirt facilities that are fair to Euros, East and West Coast horses.
I really gotta say that CD and Bel should be the only two places that host it.


obviously the notion of it only being at two tracks won't ever happen -- but leaving arlington out would be a bad idea. it's arguably the most beautiful, nicest racing facility in the country and the track never plays anything but fair.

Bold Reasoning 10-20-2006 12:16 PM

Seattle Slew established the seven furlong record at Hialeah in 1977. The record never fell, even though myriad top horses ran there.:cool:

Pointg5 10-20-2006 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
obviously the notion of it only being at two tracks won't ever happen -- but leaving arlington out would be a bad idea. it's arguably the most beautiful, nicest racing facility in the country and the track never plays anything but fair.

Wasn't there a big speed bias the last time it was at AP?

Bold Reasoning 10-20-2006 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
obviously the notion of it only being at two tracks won't ever happen -- but leaving arlington out would be a bad idea. it's arguably the most beautiful, nicest racing facility in the country and the track never plays anything but fair.

I like the fact that the Juvenile was run at nine furlongs at Arlington.:)

brianwspencer 10-20-2006 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Wasn't there a big speed bias the last time it was at AP?

I don't think that there was a speed bias at all.

Azeri won on the front end, but was a far superior animal.
Vindication won near the front end, but was a far superior animal.
Storm Flag Flying got passed in the stretch and came back.
Volponi came from off the pace when some great horses were on the front end.

It seemed pretty fair, but also if you still say there was a speed bias, I would just point out that any track can appear to have a "bias" on any day. All frontrunners could win on the dirt all day at Belmont some day but we wouldn't say it is an unfair track.

By and large, all summer long, Arlington plays extremely fair throughout the whole meet.

Pointg5 10-20-2006 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I don't think that there was a speed bias at all.

Azeri won on the front end, but was a far superior animal.
Vindication won near the front end, but was a far superior animal.
Storm Flag Flying got passed in the stretch and came back.
Volponi came from off the pace when some great horses were on the front end.

It seemed pretty fair, but also if you still say there was a speed bias, I would just point out that any track can appear to have a "bias" on any day. All frontrunners could win on the dirt all day at Belmont some day but we wouldn't say it is an unfair track.

By and large, all summer long, Arlington plays extremely fair throughout the whole meet.

Okay, I couldn't remember...

When I think of great places to see races, I think of Belmont or Churchill, I just don't think of AP... I have heard it's nice, but I think those two should be the only ones where the BC's are held every year, the BC's are the best when had at one of those two venues...


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