Funny thing I probably know more trainers at Woodbine than anyone else on this forum. I have spoken with 3 in the last week not going to drop names but between the 3 they have made over 600 starts at the meet. and all 3 love it. In fact one of them I speak to on a daily basis has told me that the poly has extended the careers of a few horses that more than likely would have been retired.

So this stuff is not all bad. I seem to be in the Minority here but I am not ready to codemn Poly track yet. But in the same instance I do not think every track should convert to poly either.

And Bid I am sure Chiefswood has had some bad Luck but Eric has run 9 horses in the last 30 Days and over 1/2 of them were on the Turf. And Correct me if I am wrong here they are not even stabled at the track dont they ship in from a training center.

LOL its funny how all you heard in the past was people complaining that keeneland favored inside speed too much! track surfaces may change, new techology may be instituted etc etc etc but one thing will remain constant wherever there is gambling there is gonna be biatchin and whinin NO MATTER WHAT

hahahar har LOLOL....:D

There is one good thing about this anti-speed bias that Kee has: when these tiring speed horses ship to other tracks, they will look worse on paper than they really are. Many juicy overlays coming at Churchill.

REALLY like Forest Blue in that spot. If I can get close to the 7/2 ML it may be time to unload...

Just going over for tomorrow, I see Pletcher is 10 0 3 1 .00 for the meet, when do you think the last time pletcher has had 10 starters and no winners, he's probably overjoyed...

Round Pen, you are completely wrong. I wont name drop either. Im just telling you the truth, whether or not you guys want to believe it is up to you. They have had a bunch of horses come back bad, and a few not come back at all. Also, I have talked to a few other "prominent" trianers up there and they are saying the same thing, contrary to what you are saying. Lets just wait and see how it plays out rather than argue, especially when I know Im right.

It is obvious to me there is a big problem with Woodbines Poly

I'm sure hes thrilled.

Baba,
I really think that this thread was informative to people. You'd be surprised how many folks don't realize whats going on.
I just had a trainer friend of mine in NY call me. He wanted to tell me that in the 4th race today at Keeneland he heard that a firster trained by a guy that he shares a common owner with(they sometimes trade horses back and forth for the guy so he knows him well) could fly and to bet him.
I thanked hium but told him under no circumstances to bet the horse because he shows fast workouts and will likely have to make the lead to win. My friend the trainer didn't understand why that would be bad. I explained about the 29 poly races and only one wire job by a 3-5 shot who was taking a triple drop in class and was life and death to narrowly win. He was stunned. He hadn't been paying attention to it that closely down there and had no idea how bad speed was. He thanked me for stopping him from bettiing barn's payroll on the horse. And no he wasn't kidding.

Ok I will drop a name now because he said I could when we were talking about it this Morning. Mark Casse has probably run more horses on the Polytrack then anyone and he told me again today that he absolutley loves it plus he is at trackside an told me this morning that he has heard no one complain to him when they are talking about it.

And by the way I am not completely wrong just because the trainers I talk too love the stuff go ahead tell me who you are talking too because Mark
said he would love to talk to them to here there concerns.

****, he scratched :mad:

Your act with the poly comments is getting old. If you don't like it, don't bet it. Not their problem.

Here is a question for you. How many horses have broken down so far? None.

Oh REALLY? And you know this how? Apparently up at Woodbine quite a few have, and its the same surface you mope. Ask Noble Stella how she likes it. Game mare doesn't miss a dance in years, runs often and hits hard. She works on poly and bang, shes gone. But I'm sure you have a canned response ready for that huh?

its a freak injury, Polytrack is racings savior

You are so biased it is pointless to argue. Quite a few broke down at Del Mar and Saratoga this summer. I put the quality of horses at Keeneland in the same category, and I have read none have broken down. I didn't even have to read about Saratoga and Del Mar. They broke down in races. Stick to facts. Real ones. Not the ones in Oracleland.

Hopefully soon. We then will get plenty of europeans and horses from other parts of the world.

yeah no kidding