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Rudeboyelvis 07-29-2014 04:43 PM

Per Ray Paulick's Twitter: Rick Dutrow's Federal Lawsuit against NYRA, State Wagering Board, & Racing Commissioners Intl was just dismissed by judge.

Sorry, babe

parsixfarms 07-29-2014 06:58 PM

Does it really matter when Michelle Nevin is winning at a 25-30% clip with the same shady owners who used to have horses populating the Dutrow shed row (and before that Serey and Ferriola)?

freddymo 07-29-2014 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 990021)
Does it really matter when Michelle Nevin is winning at a 25-30% clip with the same shady owners who used to have horses populating the Dutrow shed row (and before that Serey and Ferriola)?

JMS is a shady owner?

parsixfarms 07-29-2014 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 990027)
JMS is a shady owner?

The reference wasn't to them, as I don't recall them having horses with Serey and Ferriola. That said, as to this situation, I would certainly call them an enabler.

freddymo 07-30-2014 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 990028)
The reference wasn't to them, as I don't recall them having horses with Serey and Ferriola. That said, as to this situation, I would certainly call them an enabler.

For all the negative Dutrow talk, lets be fair: His horses rarely broke down or died, they raced well or they were laid up and brought back and nobody denies he is a great horseman. Knowing were to inject and why is different then just hooping up a horse on a drug that is not traceable etc. Much of Dutrow's success was a product of him knowing what others did not or missed. NOT just chemicals.

hoovesupsideyourhead 07-30-2014 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 990021)
Does it really matter when Michelle Nevin is winning at a 25-30% clip with the same shady owners who used to have horses populating the Dutrow shed row (and before that Serey and Ferriola)?

no, just bet them because you cant change the game..

parsixfarms 07-30-2014 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 990063)
For all the negative Dutrow talk, lets be fair: His horses rarely broke down or died, they raced well or they were laid up and brought back and nobody denies he is a great horseman. Knowing were to inject and why is different then just hooping up a horse on a drug that is not traceable etc. Much of Dutrow's success was a product of him knowing what others did not or missed. NOT just chemicals.

If Dutrow was the savant that his defenders would have you believe, then you would have to think that the barn, without his special skills around, would see the win percentage drop off precipitously. That assistants like Juan Rodriguez, Cleveland Johnson (discussed elsewhere in this thread) and Michelle Nevin, in his supposed absence, have win percentages even more gaudy than Dutrow seems to cast doubt on those claims.

parsixfarms 07-30-2014 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 990068)
no, just bet them because you cant change the game..

...but what about when you have to run against them? You can't just scratch every time they show up in a race in which one of your horses is scheduled to compete.

hoovesupsideyourhead 07-30-2014 01:35 PM

Good point


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