Has Bernardini?

Besides, a bunch of tired horses in the Preakness and an injured Barbaro...He got away with slow fractions in the Jim Dandy and beat a 3 legged Blue Grass Cat in the Travers...

Well, Bernardini won the Preakness and in doing so beat graded stakes winners in Sweetnorthernsaint and brother derek. If you include barbaro, he beat the three top favorites in the derby and did so convincingly.

In the travers he beat BGC who was a graded stake winner and a runner up in two classics.

I would say he has beaten the best in his class save a healthy barbaro.

I repeat, what has Lawyer Ron beaten?

Did I say anything that wasn't true?

That tired horse thing is a bunch of ****. If sweetnorthensaint was so "tired" as you say, how come he ran such a nice fig in the preakness?

How about BGC? Correct me if im wrong but the fig in the travers was close to his best.

Has Lawyer Ron beaten anything at all...even "tired" horses?

Do you really think SNS and BD were at their best in the Preakness?

BGC was running on 3 legs in the Travers...

Bernardini is a talented horse, but I do not believe he's a super horse by any means...GZ, Smarty, and Mineshaft to name a few are better...

Whatever. Didnt say Bernardini was a "superhorse" but he is certainly better than lawyer Ron by any measurement. And despite your excuses, he has beaten some pretty good horses.

I repeat...what has Lawyer Ron beaten?

Bernardini is better, no doubt, but it's not out of the question to put Lawyer Ron in the Top 3yo's...

I am editing this, because I respect Kasept, I apologize to any it offended...

If Bernardini isnt a super horse, well then that makes Lawyer Ron a very average horse.

I just want to know what Lawyer Ron has beaten. The LR apologists who keep blaming the jockey havent given anything but excuses.

If you are proving me wrong how can you use argue the same thing for one and not the other...

Because Bernardini has actually beaten good horses. Your argument is one that you cannot prove thus it is very weak. There is no data supporting what you say.

I ask you again...what has Lawyer Ron beaten?

i don't think ron needs excuses for yesterday. he held on well, showed a lot of heart. and jocks get blamed all the time for a horse not winning.
also, regarding mckee....when ron took off in the ark derby, he let him have his head. horse won. he fought him yesterday, the horse didn't win.

ALL horses have people who question who they beat, even the great man o war, and the almost as great native dancer! nothing wrong with questioning who ron defeated...all horses meet some good, and some not so good horses--including bernardini and his ilk.

enough horses to put him firmly in the top ten for earnings this year.

Yeah but...

What did Lawyer Ron beat that was any good?

He beat a hell alot of horses when he was reeling off his wins, he can only beat who runs against him. Correct? isn't that what you guys are arguing...Let's see what kind of number comes out of this race, I have a feeling it's going to be pretty good....