BOSWD, I agree with everything your saying. I was playing devil's advocate with Invasor, simply because I am sick of people dissing Lava Man by way of the competition he has faced. These same people act as if Invasor or Bernardini have been beaten world class horses. The fact of that matter is all 3 horses have beaten who they have had to beat and we are in for one hell of an Oct 7th and BC! Enjoy. Our sport gets knocked around enough and now that we hava a very eagerly awaited BC, we should be excited!

Invasor has as much chance of beating Bernardini as I have of beating Tiger Woods in an 18 hole match.

I agree with your opinion Rupert but I'd be more inclined to take Invasor over Bernardini before I took you to be anywhere close to Tiger. LOL!

I don't know. I was a 3 handicap at one time. If it was at my home course and I had a great day and he had an off day, it would be possible. It would be extremely unlikely but possible. I remember when Lanny Wadkins was in his prime back in the early 1980s and he came out to my course. He was playing with some friends of mine and he was a few holes ahead of me. They only played 9 holes and I asked them what Lanny shot. I was surprised that he shot 39. That was the same score that I shot that day.

In all seriousness though, my chances of beating Tiger in an 18 hole match, even at my home course would be 1 in 1000 at best. Invasor's chances of beating Bernardini are probably 1 in 10. I wouldn't lay 1 to 10 because I hate laying big odds, but I wouldn't give Invasor much chance against Bernardini.

At my very best I was in between a 3 and 4 handicap from the blues at a course that was cery challenging, so I can relate to your ability. I could hit the ball 280 yards straight as an arrow almost every time and I had a pretty nifty draw that came in handy at most courses. There were guys I played against at the time that were 1 handicaps and even with a bunch of off days mixed in, they would be beat me 80 of 100 times.

Trust me, you would need more than you playing your very best and Tiger having an off day. LOL!

What about the choke factor? Tiger might be intimidated by me. When he sees me rip it 250 yards right down the middle, he'd be shaking in his boots.

LOL! In all seriousness, if I ever get back to So Cal or you ever come to Saratoga, I would like to play 18 holes with you. I am not much of a player these days but I have a feeling the sport will someday soon welcome me back. Last time I tee'ed it up was the day of my bachelor party, June 2005. Yikes!

I'm not good any more either. If I went out tomorrow, I couldn't break 80. I actually played about two months ago. We went out to Donald Trump's new course in Palos Verdes. It was very nice. It's right on the ocean and every hole had an ocean view. We saw Trump out there. We talked to him. He was actually really friendly.

I might be able to break 80 depending on where I played. A fairly challenging course I have never played on, no way. But a course I know well, quite possibly.

That course sounds nice. I've played a lot of golf on Cape Cod, in Massachusetts and I love the ocean courses.

Care to give me 10-1 in a matchup? I'd give you 100-1 on beating Tiger.

--Dunbar

Oops, I hadn't gotten to this post when I posted the one above.

I'd be surprised if you have to lay more than 3-1 in the JCGC, though.

--Dunbar

I've said it before and i'll say it again, I think Invasor will beat Bernardini.

I can not wait. It is going to be great!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont think we need to worry about these horses splitting. I doubt very seriously if Invasor could get Bernardini out of a gallop.

I agree with you. I think that people are underestimating the fact that Bernardini is younger than Invasor. Look at Showing Up for example... I think Showing Up is a very nice colt and will be in Cacique's league next year, but this year, he just wasn't ripe enough to beat him. I think the same goes for Bernardini. Against any other 3 year old, he wins for fun, but older horses... I'll believe it when I see it.

I really hope the public bets the way people are talking on here. I like Bernardini and think he COULD be great but Invasor is a pretty darn good horse that has been racing against older horses and would be an absolute steal at 5-1 which is the way people here are making it sound like he will go off at.

I doubt very much the public lets Invasor, the older horse, go off at 5/1.
As lopsided a matchup as the Travers was, Bluegrass Cat got bet down to 2/1. Depending on who else goes (from what it sounds like there wont be any other real contenders in there), I would guess Invasor goes off at around 5/2.