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King Glorious 02-25-2011 10:00 PM

The Washington Generals play better defense than these guys do. There's no point in Anthony and Stoudamire scoring 60 if they are going to give up 55 to the guys they are guarding. They were pounded on the boards. This may end up worse than I thought.

clyde 02-25-2011 10:28 PM

!!



And a foul out to boot.

He's not known as Marshmellow for nothing...don't ya know.

dalakhani 02-26-2011 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 756263)
The Washington Generals play better defense than these guys do. There's no point in Anthony and Stoudamire scoring 60 if they are going to give up 55 to the guys they are guarding. They were pounded on the boards. This may end up worse than I thought.

Utah won last night. Does that mean that trade might end up BETTER than you thought?

Surely you aren't using last night's game as any type of barometer as to whether or not that was a good trade.

King Glorious 02-26-2011 09:29 AM

I thought it was a good and necessary trade for Utah. Their result, however, has nothing to do with the Knicks and their lack of defense and their selfishness on offense. Amare left Phoenix because he wanted to be "The Man" and NY is a huge stage for that. Carmelo was already in that role in Denver and is not going to relinquish it to Stoudamire. Unlike James and Wade, these are two selfish players. James and Wade struggled early as each was trying to be too accomodating. Melo and Stoudamire played like they were having an internal contest to see who could shoot most. Also, it might have been only one game and only the second together but their defensive attitudes aren't going to change with more games. What I was looking for was a sign that once they get some cohesion, it might get better. What I saw was "this is what you are gonna get, we'll give you 60 and try to outscore everyone."

Cannon Shell 02-26-2011 09:47 AM

You shouldn't come to conclusions after 1 or 2 games but giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling. Having to actually play Balkman, having Shawne Williams and Bill Walker combine for 35 minutes, Ronny Turiaf 26 minutes is going to be bad most nights. Those guys were 6-25 last night in 92 minutes of playing time.

clyde 02-26-2011 12:55 PM

"giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling"



AND...they lost.

You left out that little fun part.

somerfrost 02-26-2011 01:08 PM

They need to add a player or two...will watch and see how things work out. Way too early to evaluate this trade.

clyde 02-26-2011 01:11 PM

This trade, you could devaluate the day it was announced.

Cannon Shell 02-26-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 756400)
"giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling"



AND...they lost.

You left out that little fun part.

If the Cavs go for 115 on you, you have lost

Cannon Shell 02-26-2011 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 756407)
They need to add a player or two...will watch and see how things work out. Way too early to evaluate this trade.

They need more than that. They only have 5 players that are NBA worthy to play real minutes and with the system that they run you will need depth. They will need to replace Billups after next season and they desperately need frontcourt help which is hard to find. This years draft is terrible and it is a real stretch to think they can get a impact player there. OKC just gave up a 16 pts a game guy, a starting center and decent number 1 pick to get a solid defensive center who cant shoot with a bum knee that is a FA after the season. Jermain O'Neal is actually collecting a paycheck. Shaq is still getting 2 year contracts. That should tell you all you need to know about how easy it is to find quality big men. Add in the Knicks have nothing of value to trade and you just wonder where these other players are going to come from. Azubuike ?

somerfrost 02-26-2011 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 756435)
They need more than that. They only have 5 players that are NBA worthy to play real minutes and with the system that they run you will need depth. They will need to replace Billups after next season and they desperately need frontcourt help which is hard to find. This years draft is terrible and it is a real stretch to think they can get a impact player there. OKC just gave up a 16 pts a game guy, a starting center and decent number 1 pick to get a solid defensive center who cant shoot with a bum knee that is a FA after the season. Jermain O'Neal is actually collecting a paycheck. Shaq is still getting 2 year contracts. That should tell you all you need to know about how easy it is to find quality big men. Add in the Knicks have nothing of value to trade and you just wonder where these other players are going to come from. Azubuike ?

Agree with every point but look at how the league has changed just this year. I hesitate to say a team can't make major changes, the NBA is better off when major market teams are strong...shifting sands!

clyde 02-26-2011 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 756427)
If the Cavs go for 115 on you, you have lost

February 23d....scored 119 vs. Houston, and lost.



Wrong again.

Cannon Shell 02-26-2011 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clyde (Post 756487)
February 23d....scored 119 vs. Houston, and lost.



Wrong again.




The Cavs don't win games, other teams lose them.

clyde 02-26-2011 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 756494)
The Cavs don't win games, other teams lose them.



^^^^
His band aid attempt on a mortal wound.




Perhaps he should stick to dressage.

herkhorse 02-26-2011 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clyde (Post 756527)

^^^^
His band aid attempt on a mortal wound.




Perhaps he should stick to dressage.

I'd pay money to see Clyde vs. Cannon Shell in a game of H-O-R-S-E

clyde 02-26-2011 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 756583)
I'd pay money to see Clyde vs. Cannon Shell in a game of H-O-R-S-E

First tell him what a horse is.

docicu3 02-26-2011 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 756583)
I'd pay money to see Clyde vs. Cannon Shell in a game of H-O-R-S-E

Clyde's first shot for H-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xyvOCNCXdU

I think the " O-R-S-E" become irrelevant if he "drills" the H....

herkhorse 02-27-2011 08:16 PM

That was some defense to end the half.

MaTH716 02-27-2011 09:02 PM

Is it me, or does Amare seem to be uncomfortable on the offensive side since the trade?

dalakhani 02-27-2011 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 756263)
The Washington Generals play better defense than these guys do. There's no point in Anthony and Stoudamire scoring 60 if they are going to give up 55 to the guys they are guarding. They were pounded on the boards. This may end up worse than I thought.

That was some nice defense. 50 points in three quarters allowed to a pretty nice offensive team.

The knicks aren't contenders yet but they are relevant. They weren't a week ago.


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