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Rupert Pupkin 11-13-2010 01:21 AM

Another great horse was Perrault. He was a grade I winner on both the dirt and the grass. You don't see too many horses these days winning grade I races on both the dirt and the grass.

Here is the famous 1982 Santa Anita Handicap where Perrault beat John Henry by a nose and got disqualified. I think the calll was correct. The head-on shows that Perrault came out several paths in the stretch and made contact with John Henry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c9gre1rB88

RolloTomasi 11-13-2010 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by monipenny (Post 722686)
Oh, thanks for correcting my post. That was off the top of my head, but i'm sure u spent countless minutes trying to research and refute my inaccuracies. How sad. It just proves that u are busted, disgusted, and maybe not to be trusted. Have a great day your royal sir.

Off the top of your head? You mean, "over your head".

"Countless minutes". "My inaccuracies" (as though you're OK with them being a staple of your posts).

Priceless stuff.

Going back to Indian Charlie's post on another thread:

"...But there's cause for Concern!"

keithting 11-13-2010 06:07 AM

Overskate was a great Canadian champion who race primarily in the late 70's, but did win the Jacques Cartier, Jockey Club Cup and the Eclipse Handicaps in 1980.

Also, the filly Goodbye Halo had a gem of a 3-yr old season for Charlie Whittingham back in 1988.

Indian Charlie 11-13-2010 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 722688)
Off the top of your head? You mean, "over your head".

"Countless minutes". "My inaccuracies" (as though you're OK with them being a staple of your posts).

Priceless stuff.

Going back to Indian Charlie's post on another thread:

"...But there's cause for Concern!"

LOL. He's actually making a bid for the lead now!!!

Indian Charlie 11-13-2010 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by monipenny (Post 722683)
I think a case could be made for Mariah's Storm as Older Female. She did beat Serena's Song on the square as a 4 yr old after practically breaking her leg the year before. And also, maybe because she is has one of the greatest influences on Ameriacan breeding as well. She foaled Giant's Causeway who of course won 11 Group 1 races and narrowly lost to our only repeat BC Classic winner Tiznow. Giant's Causeway has also produced the best 3 yr old this year in Eskendereya and First Samurai as the leading 3 yr old heading into the Derby preps. Don Von Hemel told Bill Peters she was simply the best horse he had ever trained period.

What about AP Indy for best older horse in the 90s? He won 28 grade one's in a row as a four and five year old, plus, the top 6 finishers of the BC Marathon this year all trace back to him tail male.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-13-2010 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 722687)
Another great horse was Perrault. He was a grade I winner on both the dirt and the grass. You don't see too many horses these days winning grade I races on both the dirt and the grass.

Here is the famous 1982 Santa Anita Handicap where Perrault beat John Henry by a nose and got disqualified. I think the calll was correct. The head-on shows that Perrault came out several paths in the stretch and made contact with John Henry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c9gre1rB88

Perrault was certainly a very good horse - and he was excllent on both surfaces for a stretch over 6 months time in '82.

What's crazy about the 80's is that foal crops were absolutely gigantic in volume, the largest of any decade - that combined with the fact that horses seemed a lot more durable - seemed to make competition so solid in the major races in relation to what it is today.

There was a horse I looked at named Peat Moss - who was a close 2nd to John Henry in a 500K Grade 1 on dirt at 50/1 odds - this horse made 29 starts in a span of just over 15 months time .. ran at distances as far as 2.25 miles on two seperate occasions .. and carried as much weight as 145lbs.


Indian Charlie 11-13-2010 10:17 AM

I was fond of a horse named Interco, back in the 80s.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-13-2010 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 722750)
I was fond of a horse named Interco, back in the 80s.

The only horse to beat him on turf in America was Royal Heroine. I took that into consideration when placing Royal Heroine over a horse Cannon mentioned earlier - April Run.

RolloTomasi 11-13-2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 722758)
The only horse to beat him on turf in America was Royal Heroine. I took that into consideration when placing Royal Heroine over a horse Cannon mentioned earlier - April Run.

How about the 2 monster 2yos from I think '83, Roving Boy (out West) and Copelan (back East)?

RolloTomasi 11-13-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by monipenny (Post 722690)
It's easy to refute what u would neither have the knowledge or vocabulary to come up with on your own. I will have forgotten more about the game then u will ever know. You can ask the General Bob Knight on that one also.

Vocabulary? Hah! Are you being a little self-indulgent because of that silly, misplaced "As a prelude to the aforementioned post..." clause you came up with?

I was being nice when I let that clusterfucl< pass me by (like a guy going down a steep hill with one foot on a banana peel and the other on a roller skate).

By the way, Mariah's Storm is one of the greatest influences on American breeding because of Eskendereya and First Samurai?

The Indomitable DrugS 11-13-2010 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by monipenny (Post 722764)
Thank God, a voice of reason enters the fray. What took ya so long Drugs?

Peat Moss won 14 Grade 1's and sired the greatest NFL wideout of all-time .. as well as also siring a good NFL Network/ESPN Horse racing analyst.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-13-2010 11:13 AM

I'm doing well. How have you been? Why aren't you using the Kentucky Roses In May handle any more?

AeWingnut 11-13-2010 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 722797)
I'm doing well. How have you been? Why aren't you using the Kentucky Roses In May handle any more?

:D:tro:


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