That was barley a reasson to be against him.

I am not speculating anything. Did you once read where i said anything about Zenyatta beating Blame if it wasn't for the track?

YOU speculated that he would have won anywhere. I am merely saying that we will never know and when the difference is that small, things obviously could have gone differently. Maybe Blame wins by more on another track. Maybe he loses. I just don't see the win as being emphatic enough to say that "blame wins on any track in america". If you do, that is your perogative.

This whole conversation started with people using the track as an excuse for why Blame beat her. To me, that's absurd considering how well she ran and how he still wouldn't let her go by.

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I don't disagree with you. She had every chance to go by and couldn't. Blame deserves all the credit and blaming the track is not giving enough credit to the winner. The winner dug in and earned the title.

If he had incorporated HEAVY and clearly into it, it would have been the funniest sentence in DT history.

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I think it's funny how on the one hand, Ztards can say things like it's not Z's fault nobody would come out and face her in CA, or she beat the best field ever assembled last year over a surface that gave her an undeniable huge advantage.

And on the other hand, Blame won because it was his home track.

But non-Ztards can say what a huge advantage she had last year but say Blame didn't have the same advantage this year?? Everyone, everywhere on both sides want to have their cake and eat it too. It's tiring.

Apples and oranges really.

Blame ran just as well at tracks outside of Louisville.

Zenyatta had plenty of previous opportunities to run at CD. But she didn't because her connections are pussies.

And before you think of replying that top horses from outside of California could have shipped into California just as easily, try to remember that many top dirt horses have struggled with synthetics, especially ones with speed.

Thats fair. Why didn't blame ever ship west? No one would ever accuse him of being a speed horse and he was 2 for 3 on synthetics. Why didn't he ever ship out west over the three seasons that he was in training?

Why would he? He's better on dirt, so why would they ship across the country and over the rockies to run on a surface he isn't as good on?

He ran a 101 at keeneland and is undefeated on that surface. His only loss on synthetic came in his maiden in a sprint with a bug boy up. He trains over the keeneland surface regularly. How can we say definitively that he is better on dirt? Or should we say "was" better on dirt?

But the fact is that the BC was run in So Cal two years while he was in training and its not like they don't give out money west of the rockies. Why didn't Blame ship out west?

I am not saying he should have but as much heat as Zenyatta's connections have taken for not coming east, couldn't that be put on some that didn't come west? If the competition is so easy out west and the purses are relatively the same, why not get the money and the easy black type?

It wasn't like he remained almost exclusively in one state during those three seasons. Kentucky-Louisiana-Kentucky-New York-Louisiana-Kentucky-Louisiana-Maryland-Kentucky-New York-Kentucky.

Blame ran an aggressive half year campaign and took on all challenges. Agreed. The previous post explains the context.

First and foremost because his owners need a stallion and breeders aren't rushing to breed to horses that made their mark on synth.

Yes, the Breeders Cup was run out west the last two years. Blame broke his maiden in a 7 furlong race 3 weeks before the '08 BC. Of course he wasn't going to run in the Juvenile. Last year he won his first graded stake one week before the BC. That is why he didn't ship out west to run in the BC.

I know you're just trying to stimulate some sort of discussion, but this is basic stuff. Zenyatta's connections took heat for not running her in more competitive spots. They had opportunities to run her in the Hollywood Gold Cup, Pacific Classic and Goodwood. They didn't and they were in her backyard. Frankly, because of synth the marquee races out west just aren't as important as they were. So, it makes no sense to ship out for them.

He wasn't eligible to race in filly and mare only races maybe???????????

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fVUqRTjqdc

Are two year olds even eligible to run in the BCC (2008)?

As Hoss said too, he was not as good as a 3yo as he is now as well. He's a bit of a late developer.