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chucklestheclown 10-29-2010 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JerseyJ (Post 712453)
That's how you like to handicap...it's obvious looking at the PPs does you no good in terms of picking winners so why not try it without PPs. Maybe you would fare better by picking names? Saddle Colors? Pick the Grays?

You must be a Glen Beck Fan. I consistently cash.:$:

dpkovalesky 10-30-2010 07:23 PM

when is the draw? tues?

jms62 10-31-2010 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dpkovalesky (Post 713700)
when is the draw? tues?

It would be really great if they can do this 1 week in advance so horseplayers have the full weekend before to handicap.

RockHardTen1985 10-31-2010 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dpkovalesky (Post 713700)
when is the draw? tues?

I thought Fridays card would be out Monday.

NTamm1215 10-31-2010 09:42 AM

The draw for both days is Tuesday but the BC Advance kind of covers everything, right? These really aren't races where you have to make huge adjustments for post position or jockeys.

I mean, I know countless people nationwide are waiting to see who's in the Ack Ack, Dream Supreme, and Jimmy V Classic on Saturday.

Princess Doreen 10-31-2010 10:23 AM

I remember reading somewhere, and naturally can't find it now, that Friday's races will be drawn on Tuesday and Saturday's on Wednesday.

NTamm1215 10-31-2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 713999)
I remember reading somewhere, and naturally can't find it now, that Friday's races will be drawn on Tuesday and Saturday's on Wednesday.

They're drawing both on Tuesday.

-BT- 10-31-2010 06:36 PM

red desire
 
i understand she's run against males and won in dubai on the poly, and she ran a close 3rd to vodka last year, but one race since may.... i wasn't impressed with her flower bowl at all, not sure if she didn't like the surface or what...but i've heard a lot of buzz on her.

can anyone tell me the reason everyone seems to be high on her?


-bt-

PatCummings 10-31-2010 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 714210)
i understand she's run against males and won in dubai on the poly, and she ran a close 3rd to vodka last year, but one race since may.... i wasn't impressed with her flower bowl at all, not sure if she didn't like the surface or what...but i've heard a lot of buzz on her.

can anyone tell me the reason everyone seems to be high on her?


-bt-

Don't you find it humorous that you knock the fact she only had one race since May and then say you weren't impressed with it at all. It was a prep.

The connections pointed to the F&M Turf in July and did what, to my knowledge, no other Japanese horse has ever done in BC history, ship early and get a leg-stretching prep in the US. She beat Buena Vista in 2009 who will be a favorite in the Japan Cup, then ran 4th to her over a mile (well short of her best distance) in May...in 1:32.2. FWIW, Buena Vista ran 2000 last night in 1:58.2 over goodish going.

She bled in training and really wasn't possible to go in Japan, so instead of retiring her, they took a really good horse and got her some Lasix and said - let's go make some more money.

Not thrilled KD is on her, but she will be the single horse I bet most during the weekend, by far.

chucklestheclown 10-31-2010 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 714246)

Not thrilled KD is on her, but she will be the single horse I bet most during the weekend, by far.

Not Soumillion?

-BT- 11-01-2010 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 714246)
Don't you find it humorous that you knock the fact she only had one race since May and then say you weren't impressed with it at all. It was a prep.
The connections pointed to the F&M Turf in July and did what, to my knowledge, no other Japanese horse has ever done in BC history, ship early and get a leg-stretching prep in the US. She beat Buena Vista in 2009 who will be a favorite in the Japan Cup, then ran 4th to her over a mile (well short of her best distance) in May...in 1:32.2. FWIW, Buena Vista ran 2000 last night in 1:58.2 over goodish going.

She bled in training and really wasn't possible to go in Japan, so instead of retiring her, they took a really good horse and got her some Lasix and said - let's go make some more money.

Not thrilled KD is on her, but she will be the single horse I bet most during the weekend, by far.

none the less i wasn't overly impressed with her prep, i thought the horse had no excuse to lose that race. well, i guess we'll have to agree do disagree. The horse is a complete fade for me.

-bt-

pweizer 11-01-2010 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 714246)
Don't you find it humorous that you knock the fact she only had one race since May and then say you weren't impressed with it at all. It was a prep.

The connections pointed to the F&M Turf in July and did what, to my knowledge, no other Japanese horse has ever done in BC history, ship early and get a leg-stretching prep in the US. She beat Buena Vista in 2009 who will be a favorite in the Japan Cup, then ran 4th to her over a mile (well short of her best distance) in May...in 1:32.2. FWIW, Buena Vista ran 2000 last night in 1:58.2 over goodish going.

She bled in training and really wasn't possible to go in Japan, so instead of retiring her, they took a really good horse and got her some Lasix and said - let's go make some more money.

Not thrilled KD is on her, but she will be the single horse I bet most during the weekend, by far.


Pat--what are your thoughts on the route Espoir City took to the Breeders Cup?

Paul

Travis Stone 11-01-2010 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pweizer (Post 714371)
Pat--what are your thoughts on the route Espoir City took to the Breeders Cup?

Paul

He'll have to beat Etched...

pweizer 11-01-2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 714373)
He'll have to beat Etched...

I would take that head to head matchup...

Paul

PatCummings 11-01-2010 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pweizer (Post 714371)
Pat--what are your thoughts on the route Espoir City took to the Breeders Cup?

Paul

I similarly think the race in Japan was a true prep for the Classic (as Red Desire's Flower Bowl), and know that they pointed him to the Classic at the same time Red Desire was as well...but not happy that they didn't bring him here earlier to acclimate, and unimpressed with the trackwork I saw on Sunday.

Red Desire ran a huge race, and was asked for a ton, in the Maktoum Challenge in Dubai and came back to flop (relatively) in the Dubai World Cup. Seeing her take the Flower Bowl in stride was what I was looking for if I hoped to bet her on BC day.

dalakhani 11-01-2010 10:06 PM

What do you guys think of Shared Account's chances to hit the board?

RockHardTen1985 11-01-2010 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 714747)
What do you guys think of Shared Account's chances to hit the board?


I would give her almost no chance. The 2 Euros, Red Desire and Harmonious all look much better. Forever Together's running style could lead her to a clunk up third over SA IMO.

Kasept 11-02-2010 01:22 PM

DISTAFF/LADIES CLASSIC (7:30p)

1. Life at Ten (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez) 7-2
2. It's Tea Time (R. Arnold/J. Leparoux) 15-1
3. Malibu Prayer (T. Pletcher/G. Gomez) 8-1
4. Milwaukee Appeal (S. Fairlie/R. Bejarano) 30-1
5. Acting Happy (R. Dutrow/J. Lezcano) 20-1
6. Persistently (C. McGaughey/A. Garcia) 12-1
7. Seeking the Title (D. Stewart/C. Borel) 30-1
8. Unrivaled Belle (B. Mott/K. Desormeaux) 8-1
9. Acoma (D. Carroll/R. Albarado) 20-1
10. Blind Luck (J. Hollendorfer/J. Rosario) 9-5*
11. Havre de Grace (A. Dutrow/J. Rose) 4-1

Kasept 11-02-2010 01:31 PM

MARATHON (4:10p)

1. Atoned (N. Howard/R. Albarado) 20-1
2. Prince Will I Am (M. Nihei/J. Castellano) 4-1
3. Million Seller (G. Motion/J. Rose) 50-1
4. Eldaafer (D. Alvarado/J. Velazquez) 12-1
5. Romp (K. Mulhall/M. Garcia) 50-1
6. Gabriel's Hill (S. Benzel/J. Leparoux) 20-1
7. Awesome Gem (C. Dollase/D. Flores) 7-2*
8. Giant Oak (C. Block/J. Alvarado) 4-1
9. Bright Horizon (A. O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 10-1
10. Alcomo (E. Caramori/G. Gomez) 6-1
11. Precision Break (P. Cole/J. Spencer) 6-1
12. A. U. Miner (C. Hanna/F. Pennington) 9-2

randallscott35 11-02-2010 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 715029)
MARATHON (4:10p)

1. Atoned (N. Howard/R. Albarado) 20-1
2. Prince Will I Am (M. Nihei/J. Castellano) 4-1
3. Million Seller (G. Motion/J. Rose) 50-1
4. Eldaafer (D. Alvarado/J. Velazquez) 12-1
5. Romp (K. Mulhall/M. Garcia) 50-1
6. Gabriel's Hill (S. Benzel/J. Leparoux) 20-1
7. Awesome Gem (C. Dollase/D. Flores) 7-2*
8. Giant Oak (C. Block/J. Alvarado) 4-1
9. Bright Horizon (A. O'Brien/J. Murtagh) 10-1
10. Alcomo (E. Caramori/G. Gomez) 6-1
11. Precision Break (P. Cole/J. Spencer) 6-1
12. A. U. Miner (C. Hanna/F. Pennington) 9-2

Atoned is 20-1? How wide can robbie go from the rail? Sign me up.


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