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Indian Charlie 10-26-2010 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 711492)
40510!

He said different zip codes!

Dahoss 10-26-2010 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 711488)
even Editor's Note and the filly My Flag would have been at the top of the 2010 crop.

& Honour and Glory

Honour and Glory was a hell of a horse. He would be a top sprinter/miler in any of the last 15-20 years IMO.

blackthroatedwind 10-26-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 711500)
Exactly. Formal Gold put up like mid 120 Beyers like three times during those battles also.

Louis Quartoze was typical late developing Zito horse think he would have been a monster at 4 also.

Louis Quatorze finished second to Maria's Mon in their respective 2YO debuts ( on or about July 4th ) and broke his maiden in his second start as a 2Y0. He followed this up with respectable performances against one of the best, if not the best, 2YO crops I have ever seen.

He was not a late developer. He was just flat out good.

Revidere 10-26-2010 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 711332)
http://www1.drf.com/tc/preakness/200...isquatorze.pdf

Look at the horses he got beat by. Hennessy, Maria's Mon, Unbridled's Song, Editor's Note, Skip Away, Will's Way, Cigar, Alphabet Soup. Every one of those horses would be a heavy favorite in the Classic (except Hennessy, being a sprinter.) He would be 3/5 against this group- or less- on his own merit.

Really?

Really?

philcski 10-26-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 711498)
He said different zip codes!

LOL...

both were conceived at the same location! (Lane's End)


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Originally Posted by Revidere (Post 711506)
Really?

Really?

Yes... really.

RolloTomasi 10-26-2010 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 711463)
Apparently not "epic enough" for those HotY voters…

Add in Gentlemen to that '97 handicap division and you have a tough call to make. Each of those mentioned put up multiple monster races. Shockingly, they all ran against each other, too. Imagine that.

Voters took the easy way out, especially since all but Skip Away fell by the wayside prior to the BC.

randallscott35 10-27-2010 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 711856)
This is really getting scary. Now Joe Drape saying last years one of strongest ever.

A joke

http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/201...-breeders-cup/

The first comment sounds like one of our own.

robfla 10-27-2010 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 711857)
The first comment sounds like one of our own.

I think Joe has lost his mind:

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Originally Posted by the NYT Blog of JOE DRAPE
Let me get a couple of things off my chest. Whether she wins or loses the Breeders’ Cup Classic on Nov. 6, Zenyatta is the Horse of the Year. End of story. She should have won that honor last year. Zenyatta beat one of the greatest fields — all boys — ever assembled last year in the Classic.


johnny pinwheel 10-27-2010 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 711314)
Don't they say this every year?

Not even half as good as the last at Churchill.

of course they do! but somehow it comes as a surprise to some of these people. its called the MEDIA and if you believe more than half of it...you will never,never win in this game. just like trainers and owners say they have the HOY, THIS TIME EVERY YEAR......one guy says it ...they want to punch him in the face. happens every year...oh, but the nerve of that SOB.....lol..lol." i lost every race i bet on the BC but i won that crappy argument on derby trail forum...i'm good"...lol...lol. you just can't buy entertainment like this....lol. this is the best group ever assembled for the BC classic...there i wrote it too. must be true or worth crying about....lol

slotdirt 10-27-2010 08:22 AM

Oh lord. Sofa King We Todd Did.

Thanks Joe,

You hit the nail on the head perfectly. Zenyatta will crush this field. Dare I say she will break Secretariat's track record. What a way to go out!
Your're right about last year's Classic. Horses that she beat have alreay won 9 Grade 1 races since then and placed in 7 others. That is, the horses that lost to Zenyatta in the 2009 Classic have either won or placed in 16 Grade 1 races since last year.
If that doesn't seal it-then I don't what will

blackthroatedwind 10-27-2010 09:00 AM

More bad opinions. Nothing new.

They'll all be quite silent in a little over ten days.

DaTruth 10-27-2010 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 711868)
More bad opinions. Nothing new.

They'll all be quite silent in a little over ten days.

Then we will begin hearing all sorts of conspiracy theories from the Zaniacs.

DaTruth 10-27-2010 09:39 AM

"But at the same time, I am amazed that Zenyatta continues to be dismissed as a synthetic specialist, as a stay-at-home California horse. For three years now, everyone has known where Zenyatta was, and this year she ran nothing but Grade I races. Still, few came looking to try her."

Oh I get it. She has proved that she is more than a synthetic specialist because few fillies and mares have shipped to SoCal to face her on synthetic surfaces.

alysheba4 10-27-2010 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 711868)
More bad opinions. Nothing new.

They'll all be quite silent in a little over ten days.

....god hopefully every side will.

slotdirt 10-27-2010 11:49 AM

This would have all been mercifully ended 11 months ago if they had just really retired her instead of holding a fake retirement ceremony.

chucklestheclown 10-27-2010 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 711868)
More bad opinions. Nothing new.

They'll all be quite silent in a little over ten days.

Who do YOU think is going to win? I've seen a lot of posts but don't remember seeing your pick yet. I'm by no means a Zeetard, but I don't see why a reasonable person wouldn't have her on a P6ticket.

blackthroatedwind 10-27-2010 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown (Post 712417)
Who do YOU think is going to win? I've seen a lot of posts but don't remember seeing your pick yet. I'm by no means a Zeetard, but I don't see why a reasonable person wouldn't have her on a P6ticket.

Yeah, I really need to start giving out opinions and taking stands.

chucklestheclown 10-28-2010 12:13 AM

OK. The only post I saw of yours on the Classic said Zenyatta would not be on your ticket. You didn't say who you were betting. I guess it's like that article posted earlier, people say she'll lose but don't say who they're picking to beat her. I realize it's a week away, but SURELY you have some sort of opinion on who else to toss or pick instead.


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