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tiggerv 09-30-2010 11:27 AM
Why publish a generic "Zenyatta is overrated" article the day after Rachel retires? How about writing about the historical place of the retired horse instead of the horse with 2 races left? I know that Beyer is in LA and Z runs this weekend, but save the Zenyatta historical role article until after she finishes racing.

parsixfarms 09-30-2010 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by tiggerv (Post 701414)
Why publish a generic "Zenyatta is overrated" article the day after Rachel retires? How about writing about the historical place of the retired horse instead of the horse with 2 races left? I know that Beyer is in LA and Z runs this weekend, but save the Zenyatta historical role article until after she finishes racing.
I tend to agree.

Also, in calling her the "poster girl" for synthetic surfaces, the piece reads as if Beyer is projecting his disdain for synthetic surfaces onto Zenyatta.

Pedigree Ann 09-30-2010 11:41 AM
I have not taken Andy Beyer's judgment about relative merits of horses seriously since 1989, when he declared on national TV that there was no way in Hades that Bayakoa could run on a pressured lead and hold off quality horses like Gorgeous in the BC Distaff. So I consider the source of this article and dismiss it as irrelevant. No skin off of my nose, nor Zenyatta's.

Patrick333 09-30-2010 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by tiggerv (Post 701414)
Why publish a generic "Zenyatta is overrated" article the day after Rachel retires? How about writing about the historical place of the retired horse instead of the horse with 2 races left? I know that Beyer is in LA and Z runs this weekend, but save the Zenyatta historical role article until after she finishes racing.
Great point...

Antitrust32 09-30-2010 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 701423)
Sorry but thats kind of silly. If we applied that standard (handicapping a race wrong) to all of us this and other forums would be pretty quite. I cant imagine there are many people out there, who could pass such a standard- ie; judgement
ya but some people only handicap AFTER the race has been run. So its okay for them to judge a bad opinion.

miraja2 09-30-2010 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann (Post 701420)
I have not taken Andy Beyer's judgment about relative merits of horses seriously since 1989, when he declared on national TV that there was no way in Hades that Bayakoa could run on a pressured lead and hold off quality horses like Gorgeous in the BC Distaff. So I consider the source of this article and dismiss it as irrelevant. No skin off of my nose, nor Zenyatta's.
Oh no! I've been respecting this guy's opinion for a long time.....but I never knew about this disaster! He got a race wrong twenty years ago!?!?! What a clown!
I certainly won't pay him any mind now that this has come to light because I only take seriously those people who are:
1) paid to give opinions about a lot of races
2) get every single race they've ever analyzed completely correct.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-30-2010 01:14 PM
It's the kind of stuff you can expect from people who don't understand handicapping and betting.

blackthroatedwind 09-30-2010 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann (Post 701420)
I have not taken Andy Beyer's judgment about relative merits of horses seriously since 1989, when he declared on national TV that there was no way in Hades that Bayakoa could run on a pressured lead and hold off quality horses like Gorgeous in the BC Distaff. So I consider the source of this article and dismiss it as irrelevant. No skin off of my nose, nor Zenyatta's.
I will keep this from Beyer lest he be crushed.

The funny thing is that the following year Gorgeous demonstrated who actually was the better horse between the two before she got hurt.

knickslions2 09-30-2010 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann (Post 701420)
I have not taken Andy Beyer's judgment about relative merits of horses seriously since 1989, when he declared on national TV that there was no way in Hades that Bayakoa could run on a pressured lead and hold off quality horses like Gorgeous in the BC Distaff. So I consider the source of this article and dismiss it as irrelevant. No skin off of my nose, nor Zenyatta's.
Wow let me know the next race you handicap since you must have a perfect record to say this.

randallscott35 09-30-2010 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 701458)
Oh no! I've been respecting this guy's opinion for a long time.....but I never knew about this disaster! He got a race wrong twenty years ago!?!?! What a clown!
I certainly won't pay him any mind now that this has come to light because I only take seriously those people who are:
1) paid to give opinions about a lot of races
2) get every single race they've ever analyzed completely correct.
Still wondering how I picked Super Saver to win the Preakness. Yuck.

GPK 09-30-2010 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 701479)
Wow let me know the next race you handicap since you must have a perfect record to say this.
Don't hold your breath.

slotdirt 09-30-2010 01:49 PM
8,893,829 rupies that Pedigree Ann picked Empire Maker in 2003.

blackthroatedwind 09-30-2010 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 701481)
Don't hold your breath.
She's very good a day or two afterwards however.

Or a decade or two.

GPK 09-30-2010 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 701502)
She's very good a day or two afterwards however.

Or a decade or two.
She's the best I've ever seen.

Indian Charlie 09-30-2010 09:16 PM
Gorgeous is one of the forgotten truly great horses of the last 25 years or so.

When she was on her game, there aren't many fillies/mares that would have beaten her.

blackthroatedwind 09-30-2010 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 701656)
Gorgeous is one of the forgotten truly great horses of the last 25 years or so.

When she was on her game, there aren't many fillies/mares that would have beaten her.
I was a big fan of hers as well.

Duvalier 09-30-2010 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 701680)
I've posted this elsewhere -- and Duvalier can confirm this -- but I think that the column was well-written and well-reasoned.
Huh?


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