That wasnt what i was questioning although that is debatable. I was questioning whether or not roses in may "would have won any other running" of the BCC.

his number was faster than both wins, as was his fractional energy use breakdown. I say yes, his performance was better than the wins by the two you named. You guys seem to forget how nice that field was and how far back the rest of em were.

You question whether Roses In May would have won any other BC Classics? He would have won most of them. RIM ran good enough that day to win most other years. I'd have to look through the archives, but off the top of my head I would say that the race that RIM ran in the Classic would have won the BC Classic probaby at least 7 times out of the last 10 years, probably even more. He ran huge that day to GZ. He beat the rest of the field by about 3-4 lengths.

With regard to Alysheba, I was a huge Alysheba fan. I bet him in the Derby. Even though I was ahuge fan of his, I will tell you that GZ would have killed Alysheba. It would have been no contest. GZ is in a totally different league. GZ is a freak. Alysheba was a really good horse but GZ is another league.

When you say "GZ would have killed Alysheba" and "GZ is another league", you probably should add "when GZ was able to run".

How fast would GZ have run that BCC if it was HIS 9th race of the year?

My response to statements re GZ is usually, yeah, but what if Alysheba and GZ raced against each other 9 times in a year? Which horse would win more? I think there's a good chance it would have been Alysheba. If so, who's the "greater" horse? Why should greatness be determined by a single race match race? Why not best of 9?

Don't get me wrong. I think GZ was phenomenal, and agree, too, that RIM would have won many a BCC. But when comparing two horses, there's more to it than assuming they each run their best race. Some like Alysheba and Cigar (and Mineshaft!) demonstrate excellence by running at the very top level race after race.

--Dunbar

I agree with you. There are many criteria to use in determing greatness. GZ was obviously not as duarable as most of the good horses over the years. GZ was a bit fragile. I was simply talking about GZ on his best day. When he ran his race, which he usually did, he could pretty much beat anyone.

Yes, I agree with everything you said.

GZ was a bit fragile

The understatement of the century. Held together like a glass figurine.

gz's bcc was as exciting to watch as war emblems. yaaawn.

a good performance, but watching golf was more exciting...

and i nominate randalls sentance above for understatement of the year! 'he was a bit fragile....'

a BIT?

arrrrghhh!

lol
ya beat me to it. timing is EVERYTHING.

at any rate, i second the motion!

And I agree with your last statement, too.

I just looked up Alysheba's record. He won 6 Grade I's as a 4-yr-old. AND, he set track records at a mile-and-a-quarter at Belmont and the Meadowlands. Not too shabby.

from http://www.equineinfo.com/alison/aly...tm#racedetails

"WON Breeders' Cup Classic (gr. I, 1 1/4 mi.), Santa Anita H (gr. I, 1 1/4 mi., 1:59 4/5), Woodward H (gr. I, 1 1/4 mi., 1:59 2/5, NTR, top-weighted), Meadowlands Cup H (gr. I, 1 1/4 mi., 1:58 4/5, NTR), Charles H. Strub S (gr. I, 1 1/4 mi.), Philip H. Iselin H (gr. 1, 1 1/8 mi.), San Bernardino H (gr. II, 1 1/8 mi.). "

--Dunbar

Its actually an interesting theory. How much better would Cigar and Skip Away had been if they only ran 4-5 times a year? There is no telling. Perhaps those horses werent as medicated and were able to hold their health better. I have a friend who uses blow 5-6 times a week and lets just say he looks more like 50, rather than the 32 he actually is. He cant exercise more than once or twice a month.

assuming he gets the easy lead again, yeah, maybe....that's the funny thing about theories, you can insert any horse, any random event.

i always like the inaugural bcc...shame that slew o gold was off that day, they shouldn't have run him, but i understand why they did.

Ahem....Deb????

easy goer was fragile, shugs work with him was phenomenal. gz was made of glass. and no way i'd breed to that, not in ten million years. just what the sport needs!

LOL

yeah man??? sorry, not a golf fan....

i can go back and edit, change it to bowling!

just giving you a hard time babe.:cool:

oooohhh, those are my favorite times....


lmao
i bet the look on your face is priceless!

:eek: *faint*

lol

hey, did you go play doc...i mean, go to the doctor today?