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CSC 07-28-2010 07:34 PM

Trainer's are as much to blame for bad rides as riders, as a bettor it is natural to blame the jockey after a bad ride but there are times they are just doing what the boss says.

the_fat_man 07-28-2010 07:38 PM

WO R5:

ebox: 2, 4, 6

CSC 07-28-2010 07:42 PM

Is it Miller time at Delmar in the 8th?

the_fat_man 07-28-2010 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 675307)
Trainer's are as much to blame for bad rides as riders, as a bettor it is natural to blame the jockey after a bad ride but there are times they are just doing what the boss says.

This idea about horses not liking the inside is just a ****in joke. It's LAZY training. As an athlete, which would you prefer: being INSIDE and doing a ton less work or being outside and losing your lunch?

When I was on the track 30 years ago, I remember one day walking by a barn and noticing a couple of, relatively, BIG exercise riders. I inquired what their role was and was told that they were there for the horses that need extra 'special' handling. :rolleyes: Then again, back in those days you actually had jocks that were able to take hold of a horse and pretty much carry it to the wire: Cordero, Pincay, Antley, among others. Today we have a bunch of pussies that are twirling the reins trying to get their horse to straighten out rather than taking a strong hold and busting it with the whip. Times have changed. The DRIVE: a lost art.

CSC 07-28-2010 07:49 PM

Got to go with what worked in the past, how's that Canani and Miller late double!

the_fat_man 07-28-2010 07:54 PM

I'm not following DMR tonight. As for Canani: if that MOFO wants to train all those foreign horses, maybe he should get the **** over to Europe. ha ha ha

Any American breds in that Mofo's barn?

CSC 07-28-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 675315)
This idea about horses not liking the inside is just a ****in joke. It's LAZY training. As an athlete, which would you prefer: being INSIDE and doing a ton less work or being outside and losing your lunch?

When I was on the track 30 years ago, I remember one day walking by a barn and noticing a couple of, relatively, BIG exercise riders. I inquired what their role was and was told that they were there for the horses that need extra 'special' handling. :rolleyes: Then again, back in those days you actually had jocks that were able to take hold of a horse and pretty much carry it to the wire: Cordero, Pincay, Antley, among others. Today we have a bunch of pussies that are twirling the reins trying to get their horse to straighten out rather than taking a strong hold and busting it with the whip. Times have changed. The DRIVE: a lost art.

If a horse is instructed to be ridden outside, the trainer should announce or atleast tell the stewards about it before the race, I am sure that would turn some of the wagering public off. I remember an incident involving Simon Husbands not preservering with a horse that finished 2nd when it looked like a vigorous hand ride would have done the trick, apparently the jock was instructed to ride less and he would get better results. The stewards did not agree, now I have never heard of a passive ride being better than a vigorous one. But the public didn't know, if they had I am sure he would have been 2x the price he went off. Just let the public know your intentions beforehand, ie. no whip in the program

the_fat_man 07-28-2010 08:14 PM

WO R6:

interesting race:

There appear to be only two horses in the race that can get 6.5F: #2, Gray Mesa and #3, Kahanamoku. The latter hasn't been out since last September but appears to be much better than the 2 and offers much better value. The 4 and the 6 figure to be pacesetters.

No value in using the 2 on top so:

exacta: 3 / 4, 6

CSC 07-28-2010 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 675324)
I'm not following DMR tonight. As for Canani: if that MOFO wants to train all those foreign horses, maybe he should get the **** over to Europe. ha ha ha

Any American breds in that Mofo's barn?

Canani had a very quiet Hollywood meet, but he usually perks up at Delmar he is now 2 for 5 atleast, I only played the 6th, 7th and 8th so I am not even sure if he had other horses running today. But you catch him while you can, Blue Chagall perked up without blinkers, but if he keeps hitting it will be tough getting odds like these on him, same with Miller. These guys seem to target Delmar. As for P Val, he didn't go nuts on the lead, he rode a good patient race in the 6th. I fully expect to see some big prices on him or until people believe he can still compete on the big circuits.

the_fat_man 07-28-2010 08:18 PM

Another Ramsammy ****up. Someone needs to get him to read the form before he rides.:rolleyes:

the_fat_man 07-28-2010 09:06 PM

WO R8:

#8, Celerity's Summit, win @ >= 15:1


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