Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 672205)

I wouldnt be so quick to trumpet Zenyatta's handicap races as she hasnt been given a fair weight in at least a year.

You have to try very hard to find a softer path than Zenyatta has taken. But it looks like Ol Jess has accomplished that.

This field is a joke.

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 672316)

The Santa Margarita field was just as lame in my opinion, no matter if it had a G1 title

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 672269)

I don't even know why I waste my time sometimes.

Originally Posted by prudery (Post 672329)

Clearly you missed my point--and a paper champion is an opinion.

None of Zenyatta's races have been tailored by her connections specifically, they have been filled by whatever horses would enter such races , knowing in advance when they are scheduled as well ...

I have no need to validate the horse I think is better by running down the other--et tu ???

Not .

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 672335)

Once again, I didn't bring Zenyatta up in this thread. It is always a Zenyattard who brings up the other horse.

And whether or not they're tailored to her specifically, the fields are still a joke and beneath her. Arguing who's had the "more" pathetic campaign is beyond lame. They're both being babied despite being "superstars".

Originally Posted by prudery (Post 672331)

I was not trumpeting--only stating ..

But by today's standards Z carried a little weight. I do not recall anyone carrying more however, male or female recently...

Essentially agree with the rest ...

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 672337)

True but when you win a handicap then go on afterwards to win the biggest Older horse race in the country over males and then carry the same exact weight the next year in that same race...that is really not a truly weighted race.

Of course virtually no handicap in this country is truly weighted anymore

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 672214)

Zenyattas Classic, I agree it was not the best of the best, but it was TONS BETTER then anything Rachel faced in the Woodward.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 672340)

For a dirt race? The BC Classic has been the country's top DIRT race, and she beat a good, rock-solid field of mainly turf horses, synthetic horses, and dirt no-hopers (thanks to the synthetic surface) in the country's biggest DIRT race.

It's apples and oranges to try to compare the two.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 672343)

Besides, Randall's quote was about Rachel's entire campaign. Cherry-picking just the Woodward and comparing it on its own to the Classic is disingenuous.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 672332)

What about the Apple Blossom field this year?

The horse who finished 2nd was beaten in a small overnight stakes race at Delaware Park next out. The horse who finished 3rd was beaten about 25 lengths in a Grade 2 at Churchill next out.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 672332)

What about the Apple Blossom field this year?

The horse who finished 2nd was beaten in a small overnight stakes race at Delaware Park next out. The horse who finished 3rd was beaten about 25 lengths in a Grade 2 at Churchill next out.

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 672353)

I thought Just Jenda was okay at the time since she had a couple of G3s, although admittedly she got beaten in an ungraded stake last time out as well. I agree the other 3 fillies were lousy.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 672354)

They were lousy, so why was Rachel not there?

Originally Posted by prudery (Post 672346)

FYI--the Woodward and the Classic were the only unrestricted races both girls ran in--nothing disigenous there . Of course there was a surface variable, but the former still applies--one unrestricted race each ...

Every other race each ran in was age or sex restricted ..

Originally Posted by prudery (Post 672346)

FYI--the Woodward and the Classic were the only unrestricted races both girls ran in--nothing disigenous there . Of course there was a surface variable, but the former still applies--one unrestricted race each ...

Every other race each ran in was age or sex restricted ..

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 672360)

FYI: Your pomposity and obsessive use of ellipses doesn't substitute for a meaningful point.

Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 672365)

Right, a mare winning races like the Milady, Vanity, Clement Hirsch and Lady's Secret is as significant as a filly winning the Preakness and the Haskell.

Originally Posted by prudery (Post 672366)

Mirror mirror on the wall ...

Serling beat you to it--I am easily the most pretentious poster he said, and don't you forget it, stupid ...

The post had plenty of meaning--you just chose to be a he- beeyotch about it ..

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 672374)

No, it didn't. You rambled about age and sex restrictions in an attempt to isolate the Woodward and Classic and ignore the rest of Rachel's indisputably superior campaign. Not going to cut it ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...