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philcski 03-02-2010 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Will AZ be lower than a 14 seed after they win the Pac 10 tourney?

probably a 13 seed if they win (and they can, the Pac 10 is so dreadful)

dalakhani 03-02-2010 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
probably a 13 seed if they win (and they can, the Pac 10 is so dreadful)

Have you ever seen a year where two top tier schools like UCLA and UNC just fall off the map...overnight?

ateamstupid 03-02-2010 08:12 PM

Just looking at UTEP's resume again, and as much as I like the Miners, if they're in (which they should be) no matter what, then Utah State should be a lock too if they beat New Mexico State. The difference between the WAC and C-USA is negligible, and USU has more quality wins than UTEP. I think people (including me) are just defaulting to name recognition in thinking that dominating C-USA is more important than dominating the WAC.

philcski 03-02-2010 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Just looking at UTEP's resume again, and as much as I like the Miners, if they're in (which they should be) no matter what, then Utah State should be a lock too if they beat New Mexico State. The difference between the WAC and C-USA is negligible, and USU has more quality wins than UTEP. I think people (including me) are just defaulting to name recognition in thinking that dominating C-USA is more important than dominating the WAC.

I like Utah State's resume better. Much better OOC schedule, better marquee win (BYU vs. UAB). Similar everywhere else. Both teams should be in, regardless, if they are regular season champions. In fact I'd say UNI, USU, UTEP, and ODU are all pretty safe barring a dreadful flameout in their conference tournaments. You just can't tell me that these conference champs of good mid majors should be excluded for a Notre Dame or Virginia Tech this year.

ateamstupid 03-02-2010 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I like Utah State's resume better. Much better OOC schedule, better marquee win (BYU vs. UAB). Similar everywhere else. Both teams should be in, regardless, if they are regular season champions. In fact I'd say UNI, USU, UTEP, and ODU are all pretty safe barring a dreadful flameout in their conference tournaments. You just can't tell me that these conference champs of good mid majors should be excluded for a Notre Dame or Virginia Tech this year.

I agree, but if you look at the Bracket Project, UTEP is at the top of the 10-seeds and Utah State is at the bottom of the 11-seeds, which leads one to believe that the people analyzing these things would have Utah State out should they bust in the WAC tourney. I think they're wrong and the Aggies become a lock if they beat NMSU on Saturday. I think both are solidly in, as is UNI. Old Dominion is the only one of the four that I think will totally screw itself by losing early in the conference tourney.

Coach Pants 03-02-2010 10:41 PM

Louisville s.hit the bed tonight.

ateamstupid 03-02-2010 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Louisville s.hit the bed tonight.

Their resume really is lacking. 1-7 vs. the RPI top 50, 8-10 vs. the top 100. If they beat Syracuse again they're gonna get in, but if not they'll two Big East tourney wins IMO.

philcski 03-03-2010 11:03 AM

Bracket as of 3/3:
S-CURVE SEED TEAM
1 1 Syracuse
64 16 Lehigh
65 16 Jackson State
32 8 California
33 9 UNLV
17 5 Tennessee
48 12 San Diego State
16 4 Baylor
49 13 Dayton
8 2 Villanova
57 15 Coastal Carolina
25 7 Texas
40 10 Old Dominion
9 3 Ohio State
56 14 Sam Houston State
24 6 Xavier
41 11 Siena
4 1 Duke
61 16 UC Santa Barbara
29 8 Clemson
36 9 Utah State
20 5 Butler
45 12 Virginia Tech
13 4 Temple
52 13 Murray State
5 2 Kansas State
60 15 Stony Brook
28 7 Wake Forest
37 10 UTEP
12 3 Vanderbilt
53 14 Oakland
21 6 Texas A&M
44 11 Saint Mary's College
3 1 Kentucky
62 16 Belmont
31 8 Missouri
34 9 Florida State
19 5 BYU
46 12 Florida
14 4 Wisconsin
51 13 Notre Dame
7 2 New Mexico
58 15 Morgan State
27 7 Richmond
38 10 Connecticut
11 3 Pittsburgh
54 14 Wofford
22 6 Maryland
43 11 UAB
2 1 Kansas
63 16 Quinnipiac
30 8 Oklahoma State
35 9 Marquette
18 5 Michigan State
47 12 Louisville
15 4 Georgetown
50 13 Kent State
6 2 Purdue
59 15 Troy
26 7 Northern Iowa
39 10 Georgia Tech
10 3 West Virginia
55 14 Weber State
23 6 Gonzaga
42 11 Cornell

Some brutal teams on the cut line. Hoping for some top mid-major seeds to lose in their conference tournament finals to exclude these teams. While 96 teams sounds fun, some really undeserving teams would get in in years like this.

Cannon Shell 03-03-2010 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Bracket as of 3/3:
S-CURVE SEED TEAM
1 1 Syracuse
64 16 Lehigh
65 16 Jackson State
32 8 California
33 9 UNLV
17 5 Tennessee
48 12 San Diego State
16 4 Baylor
49 13 Dayton
8 2 Villanova
57 15 Coastal Carolina
25 7 Texas
40 10 Old Dominion
9 3 Ohio State
56 14 Sam Houston State
24 6 Xavier
41 11 Siena
4 1 Duke
61 16 UC Santa Barbara
29 8 Clemson
36 9 Utah State
20 5 Butler
45 12 Virginia Tech
13 4 Temple
52 13 Murray State
5 2 Kansas State
60 15 Stony Brook
28 7 Wake Forest
37 10 UTEP
12 3 Vanderbilt
53 14 Oakland
21 6 Texas A&M
44 11 Saint Mary's College
3 1 Kentucky
62 16 Belmont
31 8 Missouri
34 9 Florida State
19 5 BYU
46 12 Florida
14 4 Wisconsin
51 13 Notre Dame
7 2 New Mexico
58 15 Morgan State
27 7 Richmond
38 10 Connecticut
11 3 Pittsburgh
54 14 Wofford
22 6 Maryland
43 11 UAB
2 1 Kansas
63 16 Quinnipiac
30 8 Oklahoma State
35 9 Marquette
18 5 Michigan State
47 12 Louisville
15 4 Georgetown
50 13 Kent State
6 2 Purdue
59 15 Troy
26 7 Northern Iowa
39 10 Georgia Tech
10 3 West Virginia
55 14 Weber State
23 6 Gonzaga
42 11 Cornell

Some brutal teams on the cut line. Hoping for some top mid-major seeds to lose in their conference tournament finals to exclude these teams. While 96 teams sounds fun, some really undeserving teams would get in in years like this.

The BCS which almost everyone agrees should expand to a true playoff absolutely refuses to, The NCAA tourney which almost everyone agrees is close to perfect is almost assuredly going to expand. That is the NCAA in a nutshell.

2MinsToPost 03-03-2010 06:05 PM

I think this is the most important game for the Duke team this year hands down. If they can win at Maryland, with confidence, then I do believe they will carry that thru the NC game this weekend and thru the month of March.

I gotta believe this game sets the tone for the ACC and NCAA tourney for the Devils.

ateamstupid 03-03-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The BCS which almost everyone agrees should expand to a true playoff absolutely refuses to, The NCAA tourney which almost everyone agrees is close to perfect is almost assuredly going to expand. That is the NCAA in a nutshell.

A week ago, UConn was in, Notre Dame was toast. Now the roles have pretty much reversed. That's why March kicks ass the way it is and why expansion is a bad idea. 90% of these exciting bubble determining games would mean nothing.

Big last few minutes here in Wake/FSU.

dalakhani 03-03-2010 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
I think this is the most important game for the Duke team this year hands down. If they can win at Maryland, with confidence, then I do believe they will carry that thru the NC game this weekend and thru the month of March.

I gotta believe this game sets the tone for the ACC and NCAA tourney for the Devils.

Really? I hate duke but what I don't see how its that important for them either way. Its senior night and if you have never been to comcast (or cole field house before it) it is as crazy a crowd as you will see. Im sure the voting committee would forgive a loss to the second place team in the conference in one of the toughest places to play in the country.

Besides that, I dont think Duke has a problem with "confidence". Why should they? They beat Maryland by over 20 at home and should they lose this game it would hardly shake their confidence and beating them again would hardly make them more confident.

Sure there is something at stake but i dont think this is that important.

ateamstupid 03-04-2010 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Really? I hate duke but what I don't see how its that important for them either way. Its senior night and if you have never been to comcast (or cole field house before it) it is as crazy a crowd as you will see. Im sure the voting committee would forgive a loss to the second place team in the conference in one of the toughest places to play in the country.

Besides that, I dont think Duke has a problem with "confidence". Why should they? They beat Maryland by over 20 at home and should they lose this game it would hardly shake their confidence and beating them again would hardly make them more confident.

Sure there is something at stake but i dont think this is that important.

You nailed it, Duke was set up for a loss and played better than I thought it would. The bottom line is you can still pencil the Dookies in for a Sweet 16 loss, except this time you can actually make some $$$ betting against them.

dalakhani 03-04-2010 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
You nailed it, Duke was set up for a loss and played better than I thought it would. The bottom line is you can still pencil the Dookies in for a Sweet 16 loss, except this time you can actually make some $$$ betting against them.

The scheyer kid has turned into a decent player but I don't know what people are smoking when they are talking acc player of the year or that he will be a pro player of any account. I guess he could be a spot up three shooter somewhere but he is about as slow and unathletic as it gets.

I agree about Duke. The ACC is about to get 5-7 teams in the tournament and not one of them has a snowball's chance for the title. This MD team and any of the teams other than duke are all very capable of getting bounced in the first round.

Patrick333 03-04-2010 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
A week ago, UConn was in, Notre Dame was toast. Now the roles have pretty much reversed. That's why March kicks ass the way it is and why expansion is a bad idea. 90% of these exciting bubble determining games would mean nothing.

Big last few minutes here in Wake/FSU.

ND certainly seems to be coming on. And the big played last night. This team might make the tournament yet.

ateamstupid 03-04-2010 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
The scheyer kid has turned into a decent player but I don't know what people are smoking when they are talking acc player of the year or that he will be a pro player of any account. I guess he could be a spot up three shooter somewhere but he is about as slow and unathletic as it gets.

Nolan Smith and Singler are better weapons but Scheyer has really improved his game off the bounce. He's obviously too slow to be a viable NBA prospect but he's a solid college player.

ateamstupid 03-04-2010 06:19 PM

3/4 update:

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Yes, the bubble's shrinking, folks, but a lot more teams are playing themselves out than in. Certain teams with bad losses, losing streaks and low RPI profiles are still alive because of other viable candidates tripping over themselves. Here's the final pre-Championship Week take on who'll be occupying the 34 at-large spots. As usual the number in parentheses is the projected no. of bids, assuming no outlying AQs. Conferences are listed in order of RPI rank, projected multi-bid conferences only listed.

UPDATE: I can't figure out why for the life of me, but my RPI numbers from this post were slightly screwed up at first publish. I've fixed them.

Big XII (7)
LOCKS: Kansas, Kansas State, Texas A&M, Baylor, Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma State
WORK TO DO: Nobody
Bless you, Big XII. We can chalk up those six at-larges and move on. Less typing for me.

Big East (8)
LOCKS: Syracuse, Villanova, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Georgetown, Marquette
WORK TO DO: Notre Dame (RPI: 61), Louisville (36), Connecticut (49), Seton Hall (63)
For all the annual blather of the Big East getting double-digit bids, it looks like a distinct possibility that the superconferece will only get seven this season. The bubble officially bids adieu to Cincinnati and South Florida. Marquette became the sixth Big East team to lock up a bid, throttling Louisville on Tuesday, largely damaging the Cardinals' prospects as well. Notre Dame has won three straight and suddenly looks like the Big East's strongest bubble tenant. The Irish are now 4-3 against the RPI top 50 and 9-7 against the top 100, but they still have some issues to overcome. Namely three losses outside the top 100 and a 3-6 road/neutral record. That's why a win at Marquette on Saturday is the only thing that would lock up a bid for ND before the Big East tourney. Otherwise they're going to need at least one win at MSG, possibly two. Louisville took a big step toward a bid by winning at UConn, but the Cards looked very bad at Marquette on Tuesday. The worst UL can do in conference is 10-8, which is normally good enough in the Big East, but I'm not so sure in this case. Louisville is just 3-7 against the RPI top 50 and 7-9 against the top 100. Obviously the win at Syracuse holds weight, but the Cardinals don't have much else to show. That's why a second win over 'Cuse in the Freedom Hall closer on Saturday would be huge. Despite the lousy record against the elites, two wins over the Orange and 11-7 in league would probably be enough to get the 'ville in. If UL loses Saturday though, it probably needs at least two wins in the Big East tourney to be a serious at-large contender. UConn, seemingly in a week ago, is suddenly in trouble after losses to Louisville and Notre Dame. The Huskies face a must-win game on Saturday at South Florida, which has been reduced to the spoiler role. Without that game, I can't see them getting in without winning the Big East tourney. Even with a win in Tampa, UConn needs at least two wins at The Garden, possibly three, to cancel out an 8-10 league record. The Huskies are 3-8 against the RPI top 50 and 8-11 against the top 100 with two poor losses at Michigan and at Providence. Seton Hall is probably on its way to the NIT after losing a must-win at home to Marquette on Sunday. The Pirates remain in the conversation only because they can still get to .500 in league (at Rutgers, at Providence), but they'll need that, plus a few games in the city to be seriously considered.

ACC (6)
LOCKS: Duke, Maryland, Clemson
WORK TO DO: Florida State (38), Wake Forest (34), Virginia Tech (53), Georgia Tech (37)
The ACC, looking like a shoe-in for seven bids a few weeks ago, may now get as little as five. A sixth is in reach, but the seven ship may have sailed with Wake Forest, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech all fading down the stretch. Clemson locked up a bid by handling GT at home on Wednesday. Florida State is close to doing the same and probably only needs one more win to become a lock. The Seminoles finish the season at Miami (FL) on Saturday. Wake Forest isn't looking too strong, having lost four straight to fall to 8-7 in conference. The Deacs are still buoyed by a 5-4 record against the RPI top 50, but the committee doesn't like teams that aren't playing well down the stretch, and it's been a while since Wake has beaten anybody of note. With that said, a win at home against Clemson on Sunday probably is still enough to put WF back in, but winning an ACC tournament game in addition would be advisable. Meanwhile, the two Techs square off in Atlanta in a veritable bubble elimination game on Saturday. Obviously both teams could still make the Dance with an ACC tourney run, but the winner of Saturday's game will be able to breathe much easier than the loser heading into Greensboro. A win would give VT a 10-6 league record, which might be enough to offset a cupcake-laden nonconference profile, just two RPI top 50 wins and just six top 100 wins. A loss would be devastating to the Hokies' tournament chances. GT has a slightly better nonconference profile, but needs this game to get to .500 in the ACC. The Yellow Jackets are 4-7 against the RPI top 50 and 8-8 against the top 100, a respectable output. But they're also just 3-8 in road/neutrals, so they'll probably need a game in Greensboro in addition to Saturday's game to feel good.

Big Ten (5)
LOCKS: Purdue, Ohio State, Michigan State, Wisconsin
WORK TO DO: Illinois (72)
Is there another conference with as much separation between the elite and the hoi polloi? The Big Eleven might get four 1-4 seeds and nobody else in the tournament. The bubble says au revoir to Minnesota after an embarrassing 28-point shellacking at the hands of Michigan. I'm more sold on Illinois than most people. I get that the home loss to Minnesota was bad, but the Illini have a huge game against Wisconsin in Champaign on Saturday, and if they can get that, I think they're a lock. They'd have a sweep over Wisconsin and an 11-7 league record. Illinois is 4-7 against the RPI top 50 and 5-9 against the top 100. It has quality nonconference wins at Clemson and vs. Vanderbilt. The Illini must overcome three 101+ losses, but they have a solid 6-7 road/neutral record. Without a win over Wisconsin, things get a little dicey, but UI will face one of the top four in the conference in the Big Ten tourney quarters next Friday, so it'll immediately have another chance for a quality win. Basically I think Illinois would have to lose its next two games to be toast.

SEC (4)
LOCKS: Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee
WORK TO DO: Florida (52), Mississippi (56)
Florida took a major step back by losing at Georgia and then falling at home to Vandy. Unless Florida can win at Kentucky on Sunday, which would lock up a bid for UF, the Gators will be just 9-7 in conference. Florida is 3-7 against the RPI top 50 and 7-9 against the top 100, and the Gators boast two good nonconference wins at Michigan State and vs. Florida State. UF also has head-to-head wins over both Mississippi and Mississippi State and a strong 7-4 record in road/neutrals. However, because of how the SEC tournament bracket (and the SEC) is structured, without a win at Kentucky, the Gators might need to win three games in the SEC tourney before they can get another quality win. Mississippi State was primed to make another run at the bubble, but a loss at Auburn (the Bulldogs' fifth 101+ loss) last night quashed that. Ole Miss, meanwhile, has snuck back onto the bubble, more because of other teams' slip-ups than due to its own play. The Rebels are clinging to two huge nonconference wins (vs. Kansas State, at UTEP) as their at-large case. They're 2-5 against the RPI top 50, but their pitiful 4-8 mark against the top 100 makes it tough to make a case for them. Mississippi obviously has to win its last two regular season games (vs. LSU, at Arkansas), but if that gets done, the Rebs will have a quick shot at quality wins in the SEC tourney. They'll likely face Tennessee in the quarters (in Nashville) next Friday, and if they get past that, they'll probably get Kentucky. They might need to win both of those to stand a good chance of getting a bid.

Mountain West (3)
LOCKS: New Mexico, BYU
WORK TO DO: UNLV (43), San Diego State (33)
UNLV likely only has to handle MWC doormat Wyoming at home to cinch up a bid. The Runnin' Rebels are 4-4 against the RPI top 50 and 7-4 against the top 100, with a decent nonconference win vs. Louisville and a very good 9-4 record in road/neutrals. They do have to overcome a sweep by Utah, but they're in very good shape. San Diego State needs a run to the MWC tourney final, and even that might not be enough to get the Aztecs in. They're just 2-5 against the RPI top 50 and 3-6 against the top 100 and they have a bad loss at Wyoming to live down.

Atlantic 10 (4)
LOCKS: Temple, Xavier, Richmond
WORK TO DO: Rhode Island (29), Dayton (41), Saint Louis (93)
Charlotte's gone, Saint Louis is on life support, and Dayton and Rhode Island probably have work to do in the A-10 tourney. Sorry A-10 fans, I definitely jinxed this conference by saying it might get six bids. It's still a very good league, especially at the top. Rhode Island jumped back into the conversation by crushing Charlotte last night, but the Rams still haven't played well the last few weeks. They're still in decent shape if they can win at UMass on Saturday, then get a game, maybe two, in the A-10 tourney. URI is only 2-4 against the RPI top 50, but it's 8-6 against the top 100 and the Rams sport a 8-5 road/neutral record. Dayton has a big one at Richmond tonight, and with only a 3-6 record against the RPI top 50, the Flyers could really use a win. They're also only 5-8 against the top 100 with a bad loss (at St. Joseph's) to hurdle. I made the point last week that Dayton was very competitive against a tough nonconference schedule, and that should help UD. If the Flyers lose at Richmond, they'll have to beat Saint Louis and win 2-3 games in the A-10 tourney to have a good shot. Saint Louis lost a near must-win game against Temple last night and the Billikens are now on the outside looking in. SLU stays alive because of three top 50 wins and a 10-5 league record. However, a tough roadie at Dayton on Saturday looms, and if the Bills lose that one, they're toast. A win there and a trip to the A-10 final would probably get SLU in. Anything less would probably leave the Billikens short.

Conference USA (2)
LOCKS: UTEP
WORK TO DO: UAB (42), Memphis (51)
Marshall lost a game it couldn't afford to, at home against UTEP on Tuesday, so it goes bye-bye. Despite a dearth of quality wins, the Miners will be just about impossible to leave out with 14-15 league wins. Memphis got a huge win at UAB last night to complete a season sweep, which hurts the Blazers, badly. UAB is just 1-2 against the RPI top 50 and 5-5 against the top 100 and now faces a must-win game at UTEP on Saturday to remain in the discussion. If Memphis can beat Tulsa at home Saturday, the Tigers will be 13-3 in league, a respectable record. They're 2-5 against the RPI top 50 and 6-5 against the top 100, but they've got three ugly losses (at UMass, at SMU, at Houston) to overcome, so they probably need to get to the C-USA title game, but if they can do that, they'll be in.

Other Conferences
LOCKS: Butler, Gonzaga, Northern Iowa
WORK TO DO: Utah State (32), St. Mary's (45), California (22), Old Dominion (39), VCU (62)
Northern Iowa's done enough to lock up a bid regardless of what happens at Arch Madness. I probably should've had the Panthers in last week, but that loss at Evansville clouded my judgment. I think a win over New Mexico State on Saturday puts Utah State in the tournament regardless of what happens in the WAC tourney. St. Mary's needs a trip to the WCC final and at least a competitive effort against Gonzaga. Doug Gottlieb just said on ESPN that the Pac-10 will get two bids even if Cal wins the conference tourney, and I think he's nuts. Cal is the conference's only at-large hope, and the Bears probably only get in with a trip to the Pac-10 final. I know the RPI is high, he meat just isn't there on their resume, they're 0-4 against the RPI top 50 and 5-6 against the top 100 with three losses outside the top 100. Contrary to what some think, I maintain that Old Dominion needs at least one win in the CAA tournament, maybe two, to lock up a bid. The Monarchs are 1-4 against the RPI top 50 and 7-7 against the top 100. VCU needs a trip to the CAA final, even then an at-large is a longshot, but the Rams stay in the discussion because of a 3-1 record against the RPI top 50 and a 6-4 record against the top 100. However, VCU also has losses at George Mason, Drexel and Western Michigan to distance itself from.

So assuming no outlying AQs (UTEP, Butler, Gonzaga, UNI all win their tourneys), we've got 21 bids all locked up. That leaves a maximum of 13 bids for a bubble contingent that currently numbers 23. If we let the doorstep teams (Florida State, UNLV, Utah State) in, that leaves 10 bids for 20 teams. And we know damn well that there'll be outlying AQs, so that number of 10 will shrink in the next week.

dalakhani 03-06-2010 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
dala, another low-major team that could take down a 3 or 4-seed is Murray State. But that's if the Racers can get by Morehead State in the OVC tourney. Both of those teams are quality.

Big game tonight Ateam. Murray St is -4. I think I Moorehead with the points. What do you think?

ateamstupid 03-06-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Big game tonight Ateam. Murray St is -4. I think I Moorehead with the points. What do you think?

Gun to my head I'd take Murray State -4 even though Morehead looked way better in the semis. Tony Easley and Ivan Aska can neutralize Faried. Kent State smothered a decent Akron team on the road last night. They're another capable 13-seed upsetter.

declansharbor 03-06-2010 01:24 PM

That kid from West Virginia who just had that BRAINFART at the end of regulation of the Nova game should not be allowed to touch another basketball with his real fingers again in his life. Prosthetics? Maybe.


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