Seems to me there has been excellent value this winter, did you see what the early pk4 paid?

OK so you don't like NYRA, and that's your opinion. But, how does a broken bit turn into a walk off grand slam for NYRA and in what way are they going to be able to milk this?

I didn't play this weekend but there too many times where there are 5 horses and nothing pays tax money. I mean how much can the all Fav Ramon Dominguez pick 3, 4 pay? Maybe that's changed I wouldn't know.

$2 P4 payouts the last 8 days of AQU racing:

$1,646
$15,364

$686
$67

$219
$189

$5,075
$723

$172
$39

$13,918
$252

$2,117
$436

$6,576
$853

If you exclude the 2 extremes ($13k/$15k highs and $67/$39 lows), the average P4 payoff the last 2 weeks is about $1,450.

Including the extremes, it would be close to $3,000.

:D none of that means squat! the heavy fave didn't win, so nyra sucks...or something like that. ;)

To be fair, I think John was saying that because Dominguez-riden short-priced winners come in regularly on the inner, P3 and P4 prices are depressed, and that can happen. In fact though, the opposite can be true as the quad prices show, because when those short-priced faves fail, the payouts are inflated. Point is, the multi-race sequence bets during the AQU winter are likely no lower on average than during the higher quality spring, summer and fall meets at BEL, SAR and AQU.

what Steve said

I don't play if I think it will be a chalk-fest it just doesn't excite me

right, as your info showed. i just think he might feel that one or two races would be indicative of betting in general there, and that simply isn't true. yes, all racetracks on occasion have small fields in certain races, but perhaps focusing only on potential derby preps isn't the way to go.

Wow, all this time I thought he had navigated turns in his sprint races.

Wow you ZINGED me. (I certainly didn't know that.:rolleyes: )

Shouldn't you be over at PA, bullying people with your EUNUCH boss? Having those extra 'privileges' does allow some to grow (online) nuts.

There was no need for further posts...It was equipment. Why don't we wait for another race from this one?

The Dominguez factor works both ways, sure it creates a lot of underlays on horses he is riding, but it also creates overlays on other horses in the race which can often turn into nice scores. As Steve has pointed out, the value has been there at the Big A over the winter no worse than any other time of year.

Wow. You're really relishing your new position as board azzhole around here.

"No need for further posts"?

Not a bad plan. I know I for one am going to stop reading any thread once you show up.

Yeah, you are right, I've always held back and not said what I thought until I was asked to help moderate. I was just trying to give you the courtesy of a response to your dumb post since nobody else did.

Really?

So, your assumption is that after 35 years in the game, I'm not aware that they go around a turn in sprints? :rolleyes:

Not about what you have to say but how you and your EUNUCH pal feel the need to CENSOR those who have dissenting opinions. Kind of makes both of you PUSSIES. Know what I mean?

I don't censor, I argue.

If you knew that already, what was the point of the post? That Contessa didn't train him to turn? He has already turned. Your post looked even dumber after the equipment issue came to light.

Your vocabulary is really a gem. What are you in, second grade?

Maybe I posted BEFORE the equipment thing was make public. Ever think of that? And certainly, this is the 1st time a sprinter initially stretching out has bolted, right? :rolleyes:

And, how could I compete with a SERVICE MAN when it comes to level of education. Clearly, you trump me there. :rolleyes:

You're sounding more and more like a ****** --- your EUNUCH boss is rubbing off on you, a bit. Shouldn't you really be spending your valuable time BASHING POLY or hand timing races?

True colors exposed...again.

Who is his EUNUCH boss?

It is from another board I help moderate as a friend...hardly my boss.

To tell the whole story, TFM begged me to ask the owner to allow him to come back because he said this board isn't worth of his talents. I foolishly did so, and he promptly acted like a jackass again (just like he does here) and was banned yet again within a few weeks.

So, he has returned to the place he loves to disparage in PMs. The posters here were smart enough to ignore him and I apologize for not doing the same.