that may have been the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me! Wish I had his black book skills.

I love the "guilt by relation" play by some.

Because Rick has been accused of cheating, then Tony and Chip must do the same.

I am waiting for Godolpin positives by the way. Brown has been out in front of talking about how the entire barn turned at the end of June. Every horse seemingly running tops.

Surely like the various assistants under Lukas who set out on their own and somehow find positives at their fingertips.

I'll try to say this a kindly as possible but you are putting out misleading info while being absolutely offbase.

Uh I cant say much more but .......



Of course there are the Barrera brothers as an example. They were completely seperate juicers.

I wasn't referring to either of Rick's brothers when I made my "who is next" statement. However, in my mind Chuck, it's not that easy. As a matter of fact, it could easily happen to one of the "good guys" -- like you.

In my experience, where there's smoke there's fire, almost always has collateral damage so to speak. Stricter rules, universal and uniform medication rules and governance, yes, I am absolutely all for that. But I think we need to be very careful when emotions, what we "just know, etc., supersedes what we are really trying to obtain.

Sure, the present system doesn't work. But not every system will be better than what we have.

Eric

Everybody is always off base if their opinion is different then yours.

Actually Eric it cant happen to me. While I am certainly eligible to get a positive test as is anyone who runs a horse under the current system but the pattern of abuse of some is damning. The danger is the Freddy mo message that the guys are good horseman who feel the need to keep up. That is simply not acceptable. Zero tolerence is not the answer because the system is flawed but in cases like this latest positive that headlines this thread, it is far fetched to believe this wasn't a cut and dried case of cheating.

Obviously there is a lot left unsaid and much of the truth never reaches the public but the fact is that there are very few guys with "suspicious" reputations that aren't well deserved.

:tro: :tro: :tro:

now he will get some new owners...

Has Tony Dutrow ever had a positive? Been fined/suspended ?

Perhaps because my opinion is reality based using facts and the truth? I would certainly be in the position to "know" a whole lot more than most, no? Perhaps because I actually know these people, the people that work and have worked for them? Maybe because i have interactions with medications and vets every day? Maybe because I have still have contacts from my days on the other side of the table? Perhaps I might know what I am talking about because I have lived this game everyday for years in just about every capacity? Ever think that I may have to bite my tongue on occasion because I know things in confidence?

Dont know.

Then you probably shouldn't imply it. Would kind of be like me implying that you cheat. Nothing to base it on.

You asked me about the past, not the upcoming future.

Tactic? Read between the lines a little.

So you are saying he is gonna get nailed for a positive. I didn't know you could predict the future.


Impressive.

I called McLaughlin. Even said what class of drug it would be.