Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Give it a rest.

Unusual Heat's success at stud right now has everything to do with the synthetic surface invasion in California.

Back when I was young, California racing was always king when it came to dirt sprinters. They'd almost always kick the ass of Eastern sprinters when they'd ship. A big emphasis was placed on early speed .. and the Cal breeding program reflected that.

Unusual Heat was a Euro import. He ran fast figs in America - and Abrams basically claimed a horse with a huge glowing "For Sale" sign .. got 2 whole races out of him .. and got lucky with him as a stud thanks to synthetic tracks. The comment read "returned lame" in his 2nd start off the claim when he was back in for a tag. Abrams had him sound for a whole 19 days.

Here's a cut of form from some claimers turned stallions. I included Cozar - he's the Unusual Heat of Presque Isle Downs .. only difference is that his offspring have to run open instead of against state breds.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How exactly do I have Freddy fooled? He's never once listened to me about anything.

You called Leathal Heat a "tremendous sire". I guess that makes him a tremendous sire who's all-time best horse is the mighty Lennyfromalibu.

But hey ... he's really good with Cal Bred turf and synthetic horses!

Originally Posted by freddymo

He gets a very high percentage of runners. many can and do earn enough to keep their owners happy. To date he is Bertrando lite..

I bet Guts in the Meadowlands pace he was a monster on mile tracks couldn't run on a half to save his life.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I was hoping not to have to do it but since none of the new porn up looks interesting and worth the time to download ....

2009 Group or Graded Stakes Turf winners by sires in North America, Europe, and UAE

Danehill Dancer 12
Oasis Dream 11
Galileo 11
Pivotal 9
Sadler's Wells 9
Montjeu 8
Cape Cross 7
Giant's Causeway 7
Dansili 7
High Chaparral 7
Dynaformer 6
Dalakhani 6
Monsun 6
Unusual Heat 0


Wanna know why? Because he's not a tremendous sire.

He's certainly a tremendous sire of Cal Bred turf and synthetic horses. And I will give you that he does move up his mares. Yippee.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Top 10 sires in North America by turf starts.

Dynaformer 340
Stormy Atlantic 326
Smart Strike 306
Giant's Causeway 285
Lemon Drop Kid 262
More Than Ready 261
Unusual Heat 259
Grand Slam 255
Langfuhr 251
Royal Academy 234

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well by that measure there are only 2 American sires who are any good.

Any person with reasonable judgement and cognitive skills would understand given his circumstances and the ones of the horses listed above that he wouldnt have to produce international grade 1 winners to be considered a tremendous sire. The fact that his foal crops are minute in comparison to the others:
15
29
26
22
63
68
79
61

and that his best mares wouldn't even be accepted to most of the others makes most people understand the magnitude of what he has done and how good a sire he has to be in order to produce the way he has. The fact that virtually every mare he has bred has produced their best foal when matched with him means a lot. The fact that virtually every mare sent to him is a breed to race mare, leaving him with a minute % of black type mares to produce from means a lot.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is this supposed to be negative?

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Chuck, if only you had a time machine back then...you could have fast forwarded to 2009 and have a leading contender for the Older Male Eclipse! :D

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Bertrando lite? LOL

BTW he is ahead of Speightstown on every sire list

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's 7th in turf starts, just three out of 5th place - and he's 4th in turf earnings.

And a lot of his offspring are running for inflated state bred purses. A lot of them aren't bad geldings in cheap claiming turf races at lesser track like I see with an oddly high number of Stormy Atlantics.