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Originally Posted by Cardus

I guess we are doing our "ABC's" tonight:

A) So if not buying all of the Derby starters, at what point can it be diminished? Isn't there is a certain point at which reasonable, intelligent people can conclude with some believability that a Derby has been "bought?" For me, I know that it is not 20.
B) I need a refresher: how many of the Godolphin starters have not been prepared in Dubai? Am I wrong, but haven't Godolphin started all of its Derby starters in Dubai? Shake Mo has a program, and he is going to stick to it.
C) It's not myopic if we are not considering how much Godolphin spends to win the Derby. Again, it's back to the "Yankees Syndrome." For instance, how much of a genius was Ahmed Salman for buying War Emblem in April? That is only one example, but it serves the point.

If you cant see by now that it is pretty much impossible to buy the Derby there is nothing that I can say to make you not believe that. They could have bought IWR and FF the day before the race and still not hit the board let alone win. There is a certain amount of luck needed to win the Derby and you cant buy that. It would be almost impossible to diminish winning the Derby.

Obviously Sheik Mo's plan takes preference over winning. He may be obsessed with winning 'his' way but again i doubt that he is devastated over another loss.

Again what difference does it make how much one spends? Did Thunder Gulch's win feel like it was bought? Coolmore spends a whole lot more than anyone else not from Dubai. Are the Phipps laughable because they have never won the Derby despite having the best American broodmare band over the last 40 years?

So the whole theory is that if they win it is diminished because they spend so much but if they dont win they are assholes? Maybe they arent a warm, fuzzy story but the fact they havent won shows the challenge of the sport and why it attracts so many diverse people from all walks of life. Jesus i sound like a freakin liberal...

Cannon and myself will be going to Georgia to campaign for Neal Horsley very shortly.

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Like Lord Helmet said (Spaceballs): "I can't believe you man, you fell for the oldest trick in the book!"

May the Schwartz be with you

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Cannon and myself will be going to Georgia to campaign for Neal Horsley very shortly.

Yeah but I'm leaving my horses and mules home...

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Originally Posted by Cardus

If his plan obviously takes precedence over winning to you, don't you think that it should have been obvious to him?

No.

Yet again, that has been the mantra against the Yankees, for great instance, over the last 12 years. I think that belief has taken a strong root, and as a Yankee fan, I can't dismiss it.

Hank Stienbrenner did once run Kinsman farm.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah but I'm leaving my horses and mules home...

don't forget to say thanks, but no thanks, if he should offer watermelon for dessert.

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't think Godolphin discloses private purchase prices but just this year they paid out a fortune between Vineyard Haven, Desert Party, and Regal Ransom. Midshipman, who they got in the purchase from Stonerside, cannot be quantified.

According to this:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/o...cky_Derby_run/,

Vineyard Haven alone cost $12 million.

And no one here seems to comprehend that entire focus of Team Dubai's dirt breeding and training operation is to win the Derby--anything else that falls out of the process is gravy. We are talking about hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars over the past decade or so.

Here's an interesting flashback:

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...from_duba.html

And here we get the update:

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/0...-1st-derby-win

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Yet all the setbacks through the years have done little to change the way Sheik Mohammed runs his program. His best 3-year-olds will spend the winters in Dubai. That's it.

"He's a very, very competitive man and if somebody told him he couldn't do it from Dubai, well, he is going to do it from Dubai," said trainer Eoin Harty, who guided Desert Party as a 2-year-old before he was moved to Godolphin.

Like the Yankees, Sheik Mohammed spares no expense in search of a championship.

Godolphin horses are superstars in Dubai and well taken care of at the stable's state-of-the-art training facility. Life is just as good on the road. Desert Party and Regal Ransom traveled to Churchill Downs in their own planes and have their every step closely monitored by an attentive staff and a nation glued to a popular 24-hour racing channel.

Ferguson has spent more than $281 million on over 300 yearlings at the Keeneland September sale in the last 10 years. It hasn't led to a Derby win but that doesn't mean Sheik Mohammed is going to keep his wallet closed when he sees a horse he likes.

The spending spree has slowed recently, but not because of the economic downturn. All that buying has helped Sheik Mohammed build an impressive collection of stallions and broodmares, and the hope is one day he'll be able to breed a winner without having to buy one.

By the way, am I the only one who remembers this book?

http://www.amazon.com/Desert-Derby-B...1582849&sr=1-1

Apparently.

I guess I'm alone in that I hate Sheikh Mo, hate Pletcher, but love what Sheikh Hamdan has done for the game. And even after seeing the Derby I still believe that anyone betting a Pletcher horse not named Dunkirk was far more foolish than anyone betting a Dubai horse. As was anyone betting the winner.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

FTFY

Yeah, at least my computer doesn't have 2500 viruses and have some robotic sounding German chick screaming at me when I boot up.

How many times must I repeat myself. NO MORE PORN SITES!

And when it happens yet again in another week don't go blaming the software I told you to use that successfully cleaned it up the last time.

To prevent these future 'between the keyboard and chair' errors:

1. Stop going to your fetish porn sites.
2. Learn to use bit torrents. Maybe Pants here can explain how.

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Originally Posted by tector

You have to be kidding, mac.

If I gave Pletcher half the money these drape-wearing dopes have squandered on their Derby ambitions over the past decade, he'd have won at least 3 or 4 Derbies by now, if only inadvertantly

Are you serious?? This has to be the quote of the decade:D

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Too funny!

--Dunbar

Thread of the Year nominee...

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

He'd f.uck that up too and ruin it for the rest of us.

I still say that if you have $5 in you pocket and you offer $1 for a candy bar.......and I have $1000 in my pocket and offer $5 for that same candy bar.......you offer was a bigger offer than mine because it was a higher percentage of what you actually have. I was just offering up pocket change. You were offering up a significant amount of all you had. That's the way I look at their purchases. You may look at the amount and think they are spending way too much. I look at it and say they are spending relatively nothing for them.