That's my point folks . Now you get it .

My thoughts exactly. And when he broke slow why settle him into stride 5 WIDE on the first turn. Advice was settled in from outside SE and taken to the fence!

yea, I was worried at first because Advice broke too well and I wanted him to get over to the rail.
And Square Eddie broke so relaxed, he just broke perfectly if Edgar had wanted to get a spot inside, and it was frustrating seeing Advice have to wait to go around Square Eddie and lose a little ground. With the premature move it turned out to be the perfect trip,
thanks Praduh.

That's a question many jocks need to answer. I can understand getting caught wide on the 1st turn if the horse is a need-to-lead type. But why do I repeatedly see horses that are at the end of the pack taking turns 5 and 6 wide?

In this case, Square Eddie ran 50 feet more than the winner and 33 feet more than the runner up. That would be 5 3/4 and 3 3/4 LENGTHS MORE.

The only two horses in the race to cover more ground than SQ (54 ft and 62 ft)
finished 8th and 10th and neither was ever a threat in the race.

I thought it was a nice 'prep' for Square Eddie, prep being the operative word, he looked healthy enough yesterday and no doubt needed a race.

What's the line.....those that don't learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them in the future.

I certainly hope, for his sake, that "fat man" doesn't like Dunkirk in the Derby, since it looks like Prado is going to get that call.

You have got to be ****in' kidding me.

I just have to assume that Pletcher (was on and is now) off his meds.:rolleyes:

How do you come up with this assessment? Anything remotely approaching a decent trip, anything near what the top 2 in the race got, and SQ gallops.

Name a horse that would've won under those conditions.

If you can't readily think of one, then maybe SQ was fit and didn't need the race. He just got abused by the trip.

SQ was short the way Bernardini was short in the BC.

I guess Arazi should have won the Derby.. Square Eddie made a nice move he isnt that good

It's an educated assumption, he made a big move and then flattened out, if he was 100% tight he would have won the race despite the trip which in no way am I disputing. They probably left something in the tank so he can still peak for the Derby, it doesn't make any sense to squeeze the stone dry to win the Lexington when he had enough earnings already. O'Neill's too sharp to do that.

Prado's ride on Square Eddie was absurdly bad.

It will be very unfortunate if this horse runs in the KY Derby.

That ride by Prado was as bad as it gets, but one positive for Square Eddie for the derby is that he won't have Prado weighting him down.

what did you think of the ride on santa teresita? i was wondering how long the jock was going to try to force her thru on the rail before he finally realized it wasn't going to happen.