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The Indomitable DrugS 04-12-2009 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown
Were there any decent horses in those two Kobla races?

Corporate Miss won in her 2nd start and Rose of Cimmaron won in her debut.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-12-2009 04:29 PM

Hard Spun's dam ran 4 times on dirt ... and never ran a Beyer higher than 42. Included in those 4 races was a well beaten 4th place finish at Penn National .. she'd be a great addition to the race but she was too good on turf to include.

Kasept 04-13-2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Definitely the feel good story of the Derby. Very happy for him.

In reality, it's a bad story. McCarthy is a prick and a phony. He's cheated everybody involved with the horse, especially Mark Miller whom he has refused to pay his 10% share from the Sam Davis. He also stiffs the barn help and regular exercise rider. The horse himself is a very cool animal that's come a long way thanks to Miller, but McCarthy is not what some have portrayed.

randallscott35 04-13-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
In reality, it's a bad story. McCarthy is a prick and a phony. He's cheated everybody involved with the horse, especially Mark Miller whom he has refused to pay his 10% share from the Sam Davis. He also stiffs the barn help and regular exercise rider. The horse himself is a very cool animal that's come along way thanks to Miller, but McCarthy is not what some have portrayed.

Yeah I just read the Bloodhorse story about this. And I can't understand how he didn't pay the 10% either if the horse started under his name. Bad job here and I hope the real story gets reported.

Kasept 04-13-2009 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Yeah I just read the Bloodhorse story about this. And I can't understand how he didn't pay the 10% either if the horse started under his name. Bad job here and I hope the real story gets reported.

Haskin's piece? He said he was going to write about Miller, who has been a total gentleman about the whole thing. McCarthy showed up at the barn after the Sam Davis and said he was taking the horse away and why should Miller get to win a Gr. III when McCarthy hadn't won one listed as trainer.

Everyone in the racing office at Tampa Bay despises McCarthy and knows what a fraud he is. Miller worked day after day all winter getting General Quarters to calm down and accept instruction. Typical that his reward is to get screwed.

blackthroatedwind 04-13-2009 11:26 AM

Sport of Kings.

Kasept 04-13-2009 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Yeah I just read the Bloodhorse story about this. And I can't understand how he didn't pay the 10% either if the horse started under his name. Bad job here and I hope the real story gets reported.

The stewards at TBD said there was nothing they can do to get Miller paid. Pathetic.

randallscott35 04-13-2009 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
The stewards at TBD said there was nothing they can do to get Miller paid.

That's crazy. So trainers can just get stiffed with no recourse?

Danzig 04-13-2009 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
In reality, it's a bad story. McCarthy is a prick and a phony. He's cheated everybody involved with the horse, especially Mark Miller whom he has refused to pay his 10% share from the Sam Davis. He also stiffs the barn help and regular exercise rider. The horse himself is a very cool animal that's come a long way thanks to Miller, but McCarthy is not what some have portrayed.


:eek:

too bad that some of the better horses are owned by unsavory hard to root for characters.

sometimes good things happen to bad people-and vice versa.

blackthroatedwind 04-13-2009 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
:eek:

too bad that some of the better horses are owned by unsavory hard to root for characters.

sometimes good things happen to bad people-and vice versa.


It's just a microcosm of life. The racetrack is not perceptively different from any other business.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-13-2009 11:51 AM

McCarthy's career training record is now 14-for-237 with most of those wins coming at Turfway Park.

randallscott35 04-13-2009 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
McCarthy's career training record is now 14-for-237 with most of those wins coming at Turfway Park.

What's his ROI?

The Indomitable DrugS 04-13-2009 11:57 AM

$1.24 on every $2 - that includes the Blue Grass win.

I bet very few trainers have ever had their 14th career training victory come in the Blue Grass Stakes.

blackthroatedwind 04-13-2009 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
$1.24 on every $2 - that includes the Blue Grass win.

I bet very few trainers have ever had their 14th career training victory come in the Blue Grass Stakes.


If Jean Cruget can win the Triple Crown then anything is possible in this game.

Sightseek 04-13-2009 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
The stewards at TBD said there was nothing they can do to get Miller paid. Pathetic.

He can't file a lien or Judgment in Court?

The Indomitable DrugS 04-13-2009 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
If Jean Cruget can win the Triple Crown then anything is possible in this game.

Was he as bad as Ron Franklin?

PPerfectfan 04-13-2009 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Haskin's piece? He said he was going to write about Miller, who has been a total gentleman about the whole thing. McCarthy showed up at the barn after the Sam Davis and said he was taking the horse away and why should Miller get to win a Gr. III when McCarthy hadn't won one listed as trainer.

Everyone in the racing office at Tampa Bay despises McCarthy and knows what a fraud he is. Miller worked day after day all winter getting General Quarters to calm down and accept instruction. Typical that his reward is to get screwed.

Well ya know what they say, No good deed goes unpunished! :mad: I really hate to hear that too.

brianwspencer 04-13-2009 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Haskin's piece? He said he was going to write about Miller, who has been a total gentleman about the whole thing. McCarthy showed up at the barn after the Sam Davis and said he was taking the horse away and why should Miller get to win a Gr. III when McCarthy hadn't won one listed as trainer.

Everyone in the racing office at Tampa Bay despises McCarthy and knows what a fraud he is. Miller worked day after day all winter getting General Quarters to calm down and accept instruction. Typical that his reward is to get screwed.

For lack of a more pleasant or articulate way of saying it -- what a little $hit.

Danzig 04-13-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It's just a microcosm of life. The racetrack is not perceptively different from any other business.

true. but none of us tune in to watch bill gates in action or cheer on the cfo of coca cola. we like to like our rooting interests.

altho, i do still root for the redskins, dan snyder notwithstanding.

Danzig 04-13-2009 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
He can't file a lien or Judgment in Court?

probably if he has any kind of legit contract/case. altho quite often a verbal agreement is airtight. or he might just say 'lesson learned' and move on. still a shame tho.


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