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outofthebox 04-05-2009 09:24 PM
I remember on a hot Saratoga day, being told by security that i could not be drinking Gatorade in the detention barn. No problem. But what about that coke machine selling all kinds of pop over there, he didn't have an answer for that:zz:

10 pnt move up 04-05-2009 09:37 PM
I hope I Want Revenge wins the Derby by 10, and the Triple Crown, its just to perfect a story with this in the mix.

Linny 04-05-2009 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept
It's been threatened in many incidents and then hasn't been part of final penalty agreements.
How is it that now perps get to negotiate their penalties? And we wonder what's wrong?

Linny 04-05-2009 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by outofthebox
I remember on a hot Saratoga day, being told by security that i could not be drinking Gatorade in the detention barn. No problem. But what about that coke machine selling all kinds of pop over there, he didn't have an answer for that:zz:
A friend of mine got grilled in the detention barn about the use of VetWrap. I guess the guard was new and had no idea what it was for and she had to show him. She should have wrapped it around his head.

philcski 04-05-2009 10:24 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/06/sp...ef=othersports

Linny 04-05-2009 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Stall Mucker
I think having anything in the D-Barns other than your pale and sponge is not acceptable. Not sure of all the rules.

As an upside it was great to get to Aqueduct on Saturday after so many years and making the trip with one of my favorite people and seeing so many folks I don't always get to see and got to witness some pretty good racing I had a great time.

Despite the shroud over IEAH they do have talent for acquiring several graded
winners in a short time. There seems to be the semblance of good team work hear. We will see.

If the whole game goes to hell I'll move my tack to the QVC Network and produce the weekly "spanks" hours. Then we'll see how long it takes me to go bad.:eek:
Good times indeed. The Big A is one of my favorite tracks. I am very curious about this situation. I imagine that they could have prevented IWR from running.
Sale agreement says Lanzman call the shots on who trains the colt unless he runs off the board in several consecutive races. Now I wonder if the puplic outcry will force a change and if Dutrow (another beauty) will have him by week's end?

Oh, what time is the Spanx hour?

SCUDSBROTHER 04-05-2009 10:35 PM
You've caught one of our most famous SoCal cheater trainers. He's not at home (where he can just pay a fine, and spend a month with his kids.) He's been caught alkalizing twice(he's a crook who has gotten breaks from corrupt people.) Now he is caught taking a product with him into the detention barn. I'm just guessing he gets away with that out here. That's 3 times. Send him( with his Corona Beer n Lime) back to Utah, Arizona, or Idaho.

geeker2 04-05-2009 10:36 PM
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Honu 04-05-2009 11:01 PM
The syringe was prolly his , not kidding or joking .

pointman 04-06-2009 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Cardus
Really, has that been prosecuted before in New York?

If so, who were the owner(s) and trainer involved?
It has, but here is the thing about prosecutions. A story about a trainer at Aqueduct bringing a syringe into a detention barn does not attract much attention from a DA's Office. However, when that trainer runs what looks to be the Kentucky Derby morning line favorite a few races later, that is something that could make headlines and hence, a name for that prosecutor. This could get a lot more scrutiny than the average trainer being caught.

Scurlogue Champ 04-06-2009 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Linny
I wonder if his bringing a syring to the D-barn could have prevented IWR from even running. He got caught over the Bay Shore colt but did he have one there for IWR too?
Could the stewards just said that as "the trainer of IWR has an illegal substance and delivery method" we must scratch all his horses.
Now that would effect handle too much, why would they do that?

Danzig 04-06-2009 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by philcski
so, that's three stories in the last few days about the bad guys in the sport. that's just grand. i'm so glad we have such paragons of virtue as ernie paragallo and jeff mullins to give racing a couple of black eyes heading into this years derby, the time when the press pays the most attention to horse racing.
gotta love the quote from iavarone-'it's not performance enhancing'. oh, ok. guess they should have let the horse run. :rolleyes:

CSC 04-06-2009 08:07 AM
Maybe I'm in the minority but I'm not shocked. I see Dutrow & Big Brown mentioned in this thread, yet you rarely hear of Asmussen and Curlin. Regardless it always seems to be the same usual suspects, however using common sense I would say they are certainly not the only ones.

dellinger63 04-06-2009 08:56 AM
Thought it interesting the owners were part of selling the greatest horse ever

The Green Monkey

On the sales scene, Hartley/De Renzo has been one of America's most successful pinhooking operations for more than 15 years and they continue to participate actively in that segment of the industry. Outstanding racehorses sold by Hartley/De Renzo include champions Silver Charm and Xtra Heat. Their agency also consigned the world-record $16-million juvenile The Green Monkey at the 2006 Fasig-Tipton Calder sale of selected two-year-olds in training.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/sta...farm_no=162907

sumitas 04-06-2009 09:28 AM
Are you suggesting The Green Monkey's performance at the sale was not on the up and up ?

dellinger63 04-06-2009 11:59 AM
Despite his troubled trip in Saturday’s 85th running of the Grade 1, nine-furlong Wood Memorial, IEAH Stables and David J. Lanzman’s I Want Revenge was feeling no ill-effects on Sunday morning.

“He came out the race real well,” said trainer Jeff Mullins, sipping a Red Bull outside of trainer Tony Dutrow’s barn at Aqueduct Racetrack. “We had him out this morning, went over him from head to toe, and everything looks good.” ie no visible needle marks

http://www.nyra.com/aqueduct/stories...04052009.shtml

gales0678 04-06-2009 12:08 PM
The Detenion Barn
 
How does a major track setup a detenion barn and then allow a trainer in there?

How does that happen , how did he even get in there? Where was security?

Kasept 04-06-2009 12:10 PM
Trainers are allowed in the detention barn. As are the assistants and/or grooms that stay with the horse the whole 6 hours. The horses aren't in solitary confinement. Horses get walked, etc.

gales0678 04-06-2009 12:16 PM
steve - this is defeating the purpose , can't nyra have it's own in house people walk these horse around for the 7 hrs

No one s/b allowed in the detention barn from the connections , its defeating the purposes or at the very least can't NYRA put a screener in place just like at the airport - how mullins is able to get in there with what he had is just a disater

Travis Stone 04-06-2009 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gales0678
steve - this is defeating the purpose , can't nyra have it's own in house people walk these horse around for the 7 hrs
And when said horse flips over... does NYRA want the lawsuit? Heck no...


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