Brady Anderson, 1996

What do you mean you didn't understand the pieces purpose. Beyer wanted to let Marty tell everyone where he buys his magic beans... Now we know its the same place where Jack buys his sheit...

Imagine Mott's face when he learned that Miesques Approval was wearing the wrong size shoes...Perhap he could sue the Blacksmith...How about Todd finding out that he was just racing a sore horse.. Like Benzel nor Pletcher and assistants have no fn clue what a sore horse looks like...lol funny stuff..


Marty hook me up brother I am in pain and feel your healing power!!!! What a Jack ASS...maybe Shug could give him a call what a joke

Beyer thinks he cheats.

If someone asks the guy off the record what
do you really believe...
You know he thinks Wolfson cheats.

lol
now, the doc told my husband he was in the wrong shoes...but he doesn't run faster with the larger size. matter of fact, i can't recall the last time he ran anywhere....

Your analogy would be correct if they got a bunch of junior college transfers and slow white guys to win. The troubling thing about Wolfson is the unimaginable improvement of horses with consistent records far below what he gets them to run. The stuff that he says he does to his horses is no different than most good trainers. Epsom salts, magnetic blankets, changing shoes, etc. Oscar used to say it was the shoes too.

Speaking of shoes either Beyer made a typo or Wolfson was misquoted because I have never heard of a racehorse wearing a size 3 shoe. It is impossible for a horse to go from size 3 to size 6, impossible.

Marty Wolfson now proves the wisdom of Cliff Claven's adage that the secret to a successful life is a pair of comfortable shoes: "Socrates wore sandals. Einstein [the scientist] loafers." And now Miesque's Approval a pair of size 6 horseshoes.

Getting better stock certainly isn't something that is to going improve ROI stats.

These are the stats for Larry Jones from 1997 through 2005 ...

246-for-1,193 (20% wins) $2.32 ROI


Here are his stats the last 3+ years ('06-to-present) when the much better stock came to him ..

273-for-1,261 (21% wins) $1.86 ROI


The win percentage did rise - but the ROI dropped 46 points from a GOD LIKE $2.32 down to a rock solid $1.86


Here are the stats for Kiaran McLaughlin from when he just was strating to go out on his own in 1996 through 2003.

176-for-891 (19% wins) $2.21 ROI

From 2004 until today McLaughlin's stats look like this...

496-for-2,459 (20% wins) $1.90 ROI

The win percentage did rise - but the ROI dropped 31 points from a GOD LIKE $2.21 to a rock solid $1.90.

Better horses don't translate into higher ROI's ... but higher ROI's often do translate into evenually getting better horses because owners eventually take notice of the magic and respond to it by supplying said trainers with better stock. Just as bettors take note of the magic and bet there money on these trainers which drives there ROI downward.

And go ahead and just ignore all of the unlogical form reversals ... after all ... Bill Mott doesn't know how to shoe them. Todd Pletcher doesn't know when they're very sore.

Whether it's a success or failure as a a column is up to the individual reader... I find it complex because Beyer simultaneously acknowledges a grudging respect for Wolfson's overall career accomplishment while simultaneously insinuating that there just has to be some illegal explanations for his turnaround work with horses coming to him from elsewhere.

It is also complex as it features a curious, possibly inadvertant, attack on the Wolfson family that will alienate Beyer from the vast pool of admirers and friends of Marty's father, the late Louis Wolfson. In the column, Beyer has chosen to give a very one-sided view of the legendary businessman and philanthropist with this line: His father, Louis Wolfson, was a fabulously successful conglomerate builder and wheeler-dealer until he went to prison for securities fraud.

Beyer knows very well that the story of Affirmed's breeder-owner cannot be summarized, or tinted, as simply as that. It reads as a suggestion that the son should be viewed as summarily guilty of something by association with some kind of reprobate father. That is grossly unfair and frankly, outrageous. The Louis Wolfson 'securities fraud' story is exceedingly involved, and in hindsight has been widely billed, more appropriately, as a governmental persecution. I would imagine that Marty Wolfson will be more upset by this odd cheap shot at his father's legacy than by anything else Beyer has accused him of circuitously.

Drugs- can you breakdown the numbers for Kiaran further ? can you get the ROI for west point horses that he trains only , my guess is that the ROI is extemely lower than his avg as they way overbet their 1sters and don't play them as much in the gimmicks (pic 3's and 4's)

No... it's not actually. Wolfson uses that example, as he did when responsing to Beyer on ATR, in awe and appreciation of Mr. Jerkens whom he holds in the highest regard. His point is that years ago when a horse shocked a race or raised their performance level to new plateaus, there wasn't the disdain and suspicion we have now.

D. Wayne Lukas from '96 through '01 ....

810-for-4,661 (17% wins) $1.37 ROI


D. Wayne Lukas from '07 to present ...

104-for-914 (11% wins) $1.45 ROI


I would agree that the hit with the win percentage reflects a monumental dropoff in quality of stock.

I would also say that his 8 point rise in ROI reflects that he's not as overbet as he was because his reputation as a trainer isn't what it was at the time.

Sorry, but did someone say Rick Pitino coached at Boston University? If you're going to make a bad analogy, at least get the facts right. Pitino went from Providence College to an unbelievably bad stint as the Knicks coach and then took over a UK program on probation because nobody else really wanted the job.

the ROI % changed by 6% , and it could easily have fallen if you take out the 1 bomb he put over at toga last summer (i think it was)

His win % in the time you cover dropped a whopping 35%

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LOL. Ok, takeout his one 49/1 winner from one sample ... but leave in his MANY wins with bombs like Spain (56/1) Cat Thief, Charismatic, etc. etc. etc. from the other sample. Yeah, makes a lot of sense.

How many 50/1 madiens did he put over from '96 to '01 - come on drugs that point being his madiens were always heavily bet , he won with bombs in big stakes races

but again explain the 35% drop off in acutal win % , was he a magician in the mid 90's or did he simply just have better stock back then??

where beyer's article about him to explain these big % movements

or a grudging acknowledgement that people will question a big effort? or did anyone question it?

you're being so stupid I'm almost getting a headache.

In that '07-to- present sample - Lukas is 3-for-77 with first time starters and his ROI is $1.70 - he's a 15% loser (which is the win pool takeout) even with the one 49/1 shot winner included.

And why in the name of God would anyone mention Lukas' name in this thread? No one with an IQ above 50 has ever accused him of being a trainer with an edge.

If you want to think that guys ROI's improve sharply because they're getting better stock - your stupidity is your problem.