What i said was that it is not possible to quantify how important the continuity of momentum was worth and that it wasnt possible to tell what would have happened if he stayed inside. If judged merely on lost ground, I would say around three lengths.

Despite your weak cheap shots, you fail to address either issue. But then again, nothing new there...;)

Dude....I owe you an apology. I cant believe you carried this on for so long. My point was that Rosario made a bad decision. Apparently Rosario has a huge fan base on here and his followers will have none of this criticism. I read some of the responses from this Dalakahni person. It's like arguing with a 7 yr old. This person changes his/her tune every post. I personally like the "horse lost because it was 23-1" comment. IMHO.....the owners of Obrigado should not be racing this animal.....think of all the money they could make with a horse that can read the DRF?

Also was Winchester drifting out..or in...or out ...or in?

Rosario isnt a BAD jock....he just made a bad decision which cost him and the connections a Grade I. He will continue to win the non pretigious races in So Cal.

And you got to make it personal with the needless insult?

I didnt say anything about drifting, hossy did.

How has my tune changed? Ive stayed consistent. It seems you read like you watch a race and i cant be blamed for either of those deficiencies.

What an intense wonderful debate. I love it when true fans trade blows in a respectful way talking about our game and Grade 1 races.

Joel rode Obrigado as he was instructed to.

We're thrilled with a 5 win day and 2nd in a Grade 1 for a great trainer.

Hopefully he'll continue to get opportunities to ride great horses for great connections.

Fabulous thread.

Victim? LOL.

What makes your opinion anymore valid than mine or anyone else's in this matter?

Is it your years of experience as a jockey?

Your experience as a trainer?

Your personal website with millions of hits showing all of the people that value the opinion of Dahoss9698 when it comes to all things horses?


You are just a bettor/racing fan like the rest of us so please spare me the "you dont know what you are talking about" bit because you are in no position one way or the other to judge it.

and here i thought this would be the last words on the subject. silly me.

Anytime Vic. 5 wins is nice. But too bad he didnt win the big race. His move on the turn cost the horse the race....but hopefully you will go over the race with him and point out his mistake and make him a better jockey.

:rolleyes: He just said he was riding to instructions. Do you need that translated to braile or swahili as well?:rolleyes:

Man are you ignorant. What were his instructions? "Lose ground on the far turn and open up rail for the eventual winner". If so he followed them perfectly.

Any person with two functioning eyes in their head can see that Rosario made the wrong choice and went wide instead of holding position inside with a dying horse in 2nd. There was plenty of room to stay on the rail.

Very simple case here...Rosario stays inside..Obrigado gets a Grade I win. He didnt and handed the race to Valdivia. Watch the finish..Obrigado still had a ton of horse even after going wide...he was the best horse Saturday.

Just because the agent of the jock said it was a good ride doesnt mean it was. What is he gonna say. My jock screwed up.

IF VS thinks that Rosario did the right thing on the turn and didnt cost his horse the win then maybe perhaps he should stick to announcing.

LOL

Im ignorant but you cant read what Vic said in the post and cant deduce from the ride what the instructions were. LOL

Let me guess and maybe Vic can confirm what the instructions were later. "stay on the rail and take him out around the turn for a clear run".

But then again, you probably know more than Vic or anyone else on the matter right?

Like I said..anyone (and most on here) agree......Rosario would have won the race if he stayed on thie inside. I am sorry if this is too tough to comprehend. You really didnt watch the race clearly if you cant see this.

If Vic REALLY thought that Rosario's decision at the LAST PART OF THE RACE was a good one, then again, he should stick to announcing. Winchester was dead and going backwards. No reason to go wide like that.

Who am I to question a racetrack announcer.............

there are horses who don't like inside, maybe he was instructed to not take the horse up the rail. it's conceivable that this is what happened.
it's also in the realm of possibility that had he gone up the rail, he'd have still lost-champs tends to loaf on the lead-perhaps adding to a possible illusion that obrigado was gaining/had a chance.

I am pretty sure the horse doesnt mind the inside. Obrigado was inside sitting nicely for a good part of the race. If he did mind the inside then Rosario would not have tucked in....as instructed.

In my opinion, no way in hell CE would have passed Obrigado. Valdivia was all over him in the stretch, it's not like he won easily. CE is a nice horse...but is not the dominant horse some on here think. His win up at WDB was against a very weak field. He then came back to lose up there to a horse who ran pretty poor next out. I guess some of the geniuses on here didnt go back and notice that CE didnt beat Obrigado by much when they met in The San Marcos earlier this year. I believe one person on here claimed CE was "20 lengths better than Obrigado". I am glad people like that bet money into wagering pools.

What if Dala was Frankie Dettori? :p

all I have to do is check out Dala's opinion of Donavan McNabb to know who I'd choose ;)

I bet she thinks McNabb beat the Giants all by himself yesterday.