him and many others...he hasn't even taken office yet, and already the wailing and gnashing of teeth...ridiculous.

i believe the topic was dangerousretreads...half of bushs team was that... we will be treated as liberators, be welcomed with flowers...ahmed chabali...the list goes on and on

I haven't the knowledge "of Cheney" like you do.....but nice job reverting to
classifying by group. Very lazy of you intellectually,really!

You're the one calling names...empty suit etc. I don't lie, I don't like conservative ideology, especially when it intertwines religion with politics!

Republicans didn't promise the moon as The Fraud did!

I wasn't calling YOU names though, was I! I dont mix religion and politics!
Again...intellectually slovenly of you,Somer!

no...they only tell a WOMAN WHAT SHE COULD AND COULD NOT DO.. THEY PREACH ABOTION IS MURDER YET KILL THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH THERE "SHOCK AND AWE"... NOMINATE A WOMAN TO BE SECOND IN COMMAND THAT WENT TO 5 COLLEGES BEFORE GRADUTATING..., NOMINATED A RETREAD FOR PRESIDENT...YOU PROBABLY HATED MCCAIN THE FIRST TIME HE RAN BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE A NICE FOLLOW ALONG YOU WILL DEFEND HIM AND HIS LIKE FOREVER....THERE IS REALLY NO POINT IN THIS ...AND I AM SORRY I EVER RESPONDED IN THE FIRST PLACE

Quit hitting on my man, dammit! :mad:

:)

LMFAO ... good post, Deb. :tro:

WTF, Somer? And Obama hasn't mentioned religion/politics in the same breath? Please step off of your high horse for one second ...

McCain was the lesser of two evils. Any true conservative will agree with that. With that said, I can only hope that Obama accepts responsibility for his actions once he is in office ... one can say plenty of bad things about President Bush, but at least he hasn't pointed fingers at others to take the blame for things he has made decisions on. JMO.

Who would he have to blame?

...time for your blood pressure pills,bub!

Every time I give my opinion you respond with your condescending crap, I guess when you really don't have the tools to engage in intellectual debate you have to rely on sound bite rhetoric. See if you can follow this....comparing Obama's use of religion (in many cases defending himself against attacks by right wing wackos that he's a Islamic terrorist etc) to the Christian conservative rantings of the likes of Pat Robertson, Falwell etc. is void of reason. The folks I campaign against want to dictate who you can love, how you can love them and where you can love them. They want to invoke their "Christian" (read fanatical fundamentalism) values on all of us. These are the folks who picket at the funerals of American servicemen and women holding signs saying those brave defenders of our freedoms are burning in hell cause they died in the defense of a free society that allows folks to dare love the "wrong person". They want to control what you can watch on TV and at the movies, they aren't real fond of folks of color, and would prefer women to be barefoot and pregnant. Sure, I'm talking now about the radical religious right but far too many so-called "compassionate conservatives" and "mainstream" Christian folks drink the Koolade! Timm obviously isn't a fanatic (even though I admit enjoying pulling his chain still), but he falls into the trap of defending the mindset...his fanatical (and yes, that word applies here) hatred of Obama is troubling to me, calling the President-elect names before he takes office, attacking his every move before allowing him the opportunity to govern is indicative of the politics of fear and hatred that the religious (far) right is known for...McCain and Palin briefly exhibited this idiocy before McCain listened to the angels of his better nature and backed off...a move that may have cost him some votes among the fundamentalists but gained back a lot of the respect that folks like me have for him. I don't hate McCain or Palin, I admire them for their service and wish them well but I'm not hearing similar attitudes from their supporters...especially those who intertwine their religious beliefs with politics!

[quote=somerfrost]Every time I give my opinion you respond with your condescending crap, I guess when you really don't have the tools to engage in intellectual debate you have to rely on sound bite rhetoric. See if you can follow this....comparing Obama's use of religion (in many cases defending himself against attacks by right wing wackos that he's a Islamic terrorist etc) to the Christian conservative rantings of the likes of Pat Robertson, Falwell etc. is void of reason. The folks I campaign against want to dictate who you can love, how you can love them and where you can love them. They want to invoke their "Christian" (read fanatical fundamentalism) values on all of us. These are the folks who picket at the funerals of American servicemen and women holding signs saying those brave defenders of our freedoms are burning in hell cause they died in the defense of a free society that allows folks to dare love the "wrong person". They want to control what you can watch on TV and at the movies, they aren't real fond of folks of color, and would prefer women to be barefoot and pregnant. Sure, I'm talking now about the radical religious right but far too many so-called "compassionate conservatives" and "mainstream" Christian folks drink the Koolade! Timm obviously isn't a fanatic (even though I admit enjoying pulling his chain still), but he falls into the trap of defending the mindset...his fanatical (and yes, that word applies here) hatred of Obama is troubling to me, calling the President-elect names before he takes office, attacking his every move before allowing him the opportunity to govern is indicative of the politics of fear and hatred that the religious (far) right is known for...McCain and Palin briefly exhibited this idiocy before McCain listened to the angels of his better nature and backed off...a move that may have cost him some votes among the fundamentalists but gained back a lot of the respect that folks like me have for him. I don't hate McCain or Palin, I admire them for their service and wish them well but I'm not hearing similar attitudes from their supporters...especially those who intertwine their religious beliefs with politics![/QUOTE

Somer: there is SO much wrong with your post....1) you know damn well Falwell and Robertson don't speak for the majority of conservatives 2) Even worse, you attach Christianity with the likes of Westbro charlatans( I would hope they're run over by the Bikers who've been at the funerals) 3) Regardless of what you say of the President Elect(how's that) there is so much that we don't know or have conveniently dismissed about this man....he's not been vetted completely...certainly not with same vehemence directed at McCain/Palin. 4) McCains' campaign was the worst run campaign in decades, partly due to the splintered GOP, who can't figure out what they stand for in matching up to the Dems. I could go on..but the election is over

[quote=timmgirvan]
See what you did there? You made a sensible post without personal attacks and name calling toward Obama...fair points except for your reference of my point. I clearly referred to Robertson and Falwell as conservative Christian spokesmen...certainly they are that. I likewise clarified that the folks I mainly campaign against are "fanatical fundamentalists"...that is where I place the Westbro idiots. I agree they don't represent the vast majority of the Christian right but far too many folks are in fact drinking their Koolade...despite the Obama victory, 3 states (California the most troubling to me) voted to deny equal rights to gay folks, one making it illegal for gay couples to adopt. I heard ministers and priests invoking "God" when berating Obama...clearly, while not as vile and disgusting as the actions of the lunatics, the thought process is not dissimilar....I'm not anti-Christian, hell...I was one for about 54 years, but the folks who have the lord talk to them and tell them to hate (or invade Iraq) are simply put...dangerous. Bottom line...believe what you want and follow the path that you think is right but stay out of my life....there is more than one path that leads to the devine.

[quote=somerfrost]:rolleyes:

Shut up, old man. Free speech is overrated.

[quote=Coach Pants]Aw shucks....no picture? And...I'm seasoned, not old!

While some of Somer's statements may have been excessive - I agree with her about Religion and Politics. The two should have absolutely nothing to do with each other and it is def. the #1 thing I have against Republicans.

Somehow Christians (not all but we all know what I'm talking about), especially the ones involved in politics, seem to feel that they are better than everyone and have higher moral standards than the rest of the country when they need to take a step back and realize that they are as messed up - or more so - than everyone else.

I mean really, who is anyone to tell anyone how to live there life if it is not affecting anyone else.

I'll leave the abortion argument out of this because that does affect someone.

[quote=somerfrost]Robertson and Falwell(dead) aren't spokesmen for Christians...they were merely 'designated that title by the radical left(as I think you claimed to be party to) #2) "are in fact"?...clear obfuscation of the facts by you...where are your facts? This is your supposition only. You are anti-Christian,Somer..you'd rather listen to Nature(not that I need any info on Wiccans) You go from 1 bandwagon to the next, making sure to vent your displeasure(and hate) of President Bush. Frankly, you can do better by using your experience to build up people,imho.